All About The Joy
All About The Joy is a weekly hang-out with friends in the neighborhood! We share insight, advice, funny-isms and we choose to always try and find the positive, the silver lining, the "light" in all of it. AATJ comes from the simple concept that at the end of the day we all want to have more JOY than not. So, this is a cool place to unwind, have a laugh and share some time with friends!
All About The Joy
Navigating Grace: TV Obsessions, Celebrity Etiquette, and Handling Generational Differences
Have you ever wondered how your favorite TV shows stack up against real-life milestones and heartfelt personal journeys? Join us on this episode of "All About the Joy" as Cynthia and Rick share their TV obsessions with "9-1-1" and "9-1-1: Lone Star," alongside Cynthia’s inspiring story of navigating a recent job transition with overwhelming support from her colleagues. Rick also celebrates a significant milestone in his family—his son obtaining a temporary license for physical therapy—and reveals his newfound love for the movie "School Daze." This episode is brimming with personal stories and shared experiences that promise to bring warmth and connection to your day.
Ever been frustrated by a celebrity's behavior at a concert? We chat about the world of celebrity concert etiquette, discussing how artists' actions can make or break a fan's experience. Hear our candid thoughts on Madonna's antics contrasted with the respect commanded by legends like Whitney Houston and Prince. Plus, we reminisce about exclusive, joy-filled moments like being backstage at a Sting concert. This conversation underscores the importance of respect and professionalism in the entertainment world, all while keeping the joy alive.
We also get into a variety of real-life challenges, from workplace dynamics and technology struggles to the awkwardness of unexpected financial requests. Hear humorous vacation stories, the delicate process of firing procedures, and the emotional journey of pursuing personal dreams. We wrap up with heartfelt expressions of gratitude and farewells, reminding everyone that spreading positivity and joy is our ultimate goal. Tune in for laughter, heartfelt stories, and insightful discussions that are sure to brighten your day.
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Host, Carmen Lezeth
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Hi everyone, Welcome to All About the Joy. Cynthia and Rick are in the house.
Rick Costa:It's going to be a very intimate evening.
Carmen Lezeth:It's just the three of us fiveys, so we're going to talk about a few subjects. I just want to finish up one little thing that we were talking about before Rick joined us in the green. I was going to say the greenhouse, the green room, and just say this for a moment um, we were talking about the show 9-1-1 and 9-1-1, lone star, and where did we finish with that? Cynthia?
Carmen Lezeth:I think we were talking about grace and her husband there's two different ones yeah, so there's 9-1-1, which is all in los angeles, right, and guess where the other one is, which? Is 9-1-1, lone Star, texas, and it takes place in Austin, because even I noticed some places in there. But, cynthia, I know what I asked you. Which one did you like more? Oh, the original, which is 9-1-1. Yeah, the LA one yeah. Yeah, look, I didn't mind watching the rest of 911 Lone Star, but it wasn't as easily for me to digest is all I'm going to say.
Rick Costa:So I did it because you forced me to.
Carmen Lezeth:Now, Rick, how are you Doing good, doing good. How's everything? So, rick, I sent you a demo draft of our store. So it's not up yet, it's not live, but we always tested the products before we give them out to everyone, so hopefully in the next couple of weeks we will get to you. Hi Adam, how are you Okay? First on our agenda, what was the most joyous thing that happened to you this week? Cynthia, you go first.
Cynthia Lopez:I already know what you're going to say. I think I think, I think.
Carmen Lezeth:So everybody knows that I got the job.
Cynthia Lopez:So on Tuesday I actually sent out an email to all the doctors and all the employees, everybody, so you know, kind of letting them know and everything like that. And what shocked me and actually felt really good was the first person to come up to me and actually give me a hug and congratulate me and everything is a doctor who everyone like is scared of. And yeah, because, like, her attitude can change with the blink of oh. Yeah, because her attitude can change with the blink of an eye, oh, she's a great doctor.
Carmen Lezeth:I love those kind of people.
Cynthia Lopez:She's a great doctor, but she was the first one to come and give me a hug and congratulate me and everything and that felt great.
Rick Costa:That's awesome.
Carmen Lezeth:That's really awesome. How did everyone else take it? They must have been bored. Oh, everyone's devastated Because you did everything, everything, and you've been there.
Cynthia Lopez:how long, oh eight and a half years Wow, that's a long time.
Carmen Lezeth:For seven of those years, she's been hating every minute of it, because ain't that the truth for all of us, right? Like the first time we're like oh my God, new job, new job.
Cynthia Lopez:Got a raise. Yeah, I've been through four managers, like doctors leaving, some coming back, new doctors coming in, definitely new employees.
Carmen Lezeth:Yeah, well, that's why they're bumming, because you did everything and you were like the steady person throughout all of it. You know what I mean?
Rick Costa:We're going to miss you so bad why? Because we're going to have to work so much harder now. Oh not because you miss me.
Cynthia Lopez:Like now we have to do some work.
Carmen Lezeth:Well, again, congratulations. I'm really proud of you and I read your resignation letter. I'm just going to say this the fact that you didn't ask me to edit or to consider it or whatever. I was like she is so on point. Usually she'll be like Carmen. Before I send this, can you look it over for me? I'll give her like whatever advice I can. But it was so well done, perfect in every single way, and I was like, oh, this cause she on point. She knows.
Cynthia Lopez:I got to send you the one I sent to all the doctors and some of them actually started crying when they were reading it. Yeah, that's awesome.
Carmen Lezeth:Oh great, He'll be in the room and tan baby Rick, what about you? How was your week and what's something that gave you joy?
Rick Costa:uh, well, one thing my son sent me a text and I saw there was an attachment. I was like, hmm, what's this? And he got his um official temporary license to do the physical therapy now. So he can literally do it now part-time, part time for now, okay.
Carmen Lezeth:But he's a doctor.
Rick Costa:Right, but he still has to go through licenses and all this stuff. Oh okay, so it's good until September. He takes the test in July. He's smart, I know he's going to pass, so that's really cool.
Carmen Lezeth:Yay, I am so glad what.
Rick Costa:The other thing, too, was since he's here, and I'm not saying it just because he's here I really love listening to you and mario here to your uh private lounge. It was fun, it was good. I even watched school days. Is that the movie y'all talking about?
Carmen Lezeth:I was like oh, that is quite a movie I was gonna ask about the mario thing, um, but what else are you saying?
Rick Costa:I'm sorry yeah, yeah, no, I just I meant you guys, you know how I am when you mention a movie, I automatically going to see if I can find it and watch it. And so I saw that movie and I was like oh wow, yikes, yeah, there's some interesting parts in this movie.
Carmen Lezeth:Absolutely but remember it's. How old is it? I mean.
Rick Costa:Yeah, for the time. Yeah, like a lot of stuff I saw there, absolutely not.
Carmen Lezeth:No, but yeah, it was interesting, it was thought-provoking, so yeah, yeah, I was surprised that that was his number three, but I understand why too. You know what I mean. I think it was his number three, right, I forgot, I can't remember now. I can't remember now. I think it was his number three. I'm surprised because his favorite movie was the Color Purple and I've never heard anyone else but me. I was kind of mad about it too, like that's my move, like you don't. Yeah, so it was. It was really well done, um, and it was fun, and I, I will say this and I I'm not surprised by this, but I am. So I don't have a lot of uh subscribers on youtube, I don't, but his video, um, the live, uh, I mean the pod, what am I calling it? The private lounge.
Carmen Lezeth:It'd be great if I knew my own stuff, but whatever the private lounge with mario is the most played and it was like within I don't know five days or something. Wow, yeah, it was really weird. I'm not weird, but I, I, you just never know what people want to watch and he's just so charming and lovely. But the podcast is like if my top was Juliana before, that was still the top one. Mario's like up here. Wow, he either has a huge following I don't know about. I was like, okay, we're going to have Mario part two, three, five.
Cynthia Lopez:So Mario's booked for the next few months, so I'm going to do a weekly private lounge with Mario.
Carmen Lezeth:Only we are going to do a second one. He wanted me to do a second one with him so we could talk about some other stuff. So we had already decided we're going to do it. Second one with him so we could talk about some other stuff. Uh, so we we had already decided we're gonna do it, but we're gonna do it a little bit, but it was. It was so well done. I was really psyched, um, wow, okay, cool. No, you didn't tell us about how your week was at work or life oh, work wasn't too too bad.
Rick Costa:Thankfully shorter work week because I was off on monday, thank god um yeah, that's, it's those little things, man. It really is. Yeah, I was thinking it was going to be crazy busy on Tuesday because I'm like I got to deal with whatever Friday, saturday, sunday, monday and Tuesday morning. But no, it wasn't bad at all. I was shocked, but yeah, it's been pretty chill. I'm like thank you God.
Carmen Lezeth:Well, you just jinxed it break. You just said it's been pretty chill. Tomorrow will be a day.
Rick Costa:It's the last day. I don't care. It's the last day of the week. Hit me, hit me baby one more time.
Carmen Lezeth:Right. So there's really kind of two things that happened this week that were great. One of them I put in the email is so I have a trademark and people know that it had already been okayed, but you have to get the official certification. So it's not a big deal, but to me it just makes me feel so official to have All About the Joy, be trademarked and just fun. The other thing is the store.
Carmen Lezeth:I've been working with the logos and just trying to set them up and it's not that it's that difficult. It's difficult for me Cause I I come home, if I'm lucky, by five. Well, thursdays I try to come home by like five, 30, but usually I'm out till six. Whatever, you know what I mean. Like it's just, and especially cause we have this drama going on, it's really hard for me to then edit and da, da, da and da, da, da and then, on top of it, be a quote unquote designer for for a store. You know what I mean, so I'm excited about that.
Carmen Lezeth:I also and no one needs to go to the website yet Cause it's not finished, but I did change the website. All of your pictures are up there on the front pages. I'm also going to set up the bios for everyone. That's next on the page, and then I'm going to set up the store and then we'll force everyone to buy products and go to the website. That will be our next push. Just kidding. I'm not going to push anyone to do anything, but I just think it looks better and I don't know. We'll just see how it goes. So I'm excited about those things, you know.
Rick Costa:That's really cool.
Carmen Lezeth:Yeah, okay, one of the other questions I had, which was kind of random because it happened to me this week Did someone break your heart this week? Was there something positive that came from this experience? Go ahead, cindy, I won't break my heart. Well, you don't know, I'm sure Rick does. Well, look at, break your heart may be the wrong wording, I didn't know how else to say it like I'm so disappointed in something that happened this week with someone and it broke my heart because I had so much faith in them. So that's what I mean. I don't mean break your heart. Like you know, some romantic relationship unbreak my heart.
Rick Costa:What I mean.
Carmen Lezeth:I don't mean break your heart like some romantic relationship Unbreak my heart, oh, whitney Houston, no.
Cynthia Lopez:Unbreak my heart.
Carmen Lezeth:No. You don't know this, she may not be the other one oh Toni.
Cynthia Lopez:Braxton.
Rick Costa:I was about to fight you I was like how do you not know?
Carmen Lezeth:I know, I know Mara's going to come in and yell at me. You guys are about to yell at me, not a big fan.
Rick Costa:Oh, I am, Believe it or not.
Carmen Lezeth:I don't believe any. Did she sing some spiritual song?
Rick Costa:No, I just love her voice. She just does something to me.
Carmen Lezeth:So you know when I started not liking her.
Rick Costa:Uh-oh, did she do something you didn't like?
Carmen Lezeth:No, I just did that whole cheesy reality show. I was like, okay, no, oh, I didn't see that. Yeah, did you see that Cynthia? No, yeah, I don't know. She has a great voice but so does an Anita Baker. Right, fly voice, but then fly voice. But then once I hear about what she does at the concerts, and you know, I don't know, I lose respect for people pretty easily, like like madonna not showing up at a concert at eight o'clock and showing up at 12 instead at 12 pm.
Carmen Lezeth:and you've heard that right I didn't know she's oh right in boston, right, yes, she was three hours late, wow. And here's the thing it wasn't one time, it's not like oh my god, we're so sorry, it's a consistent thing and another thing that she did in the middle of the concert.
Cynthia Lopez:She actually stopped the concert because I guess people were smoking in the arena oh, madonna she stopped the concert and got on the mic and was like you guys need to stop smoking. It's messing with my vocal cords. Yeah, like scolding people Like you are in an arena to perform. You really think these people are going to not smoke.
Carmen Lezeth:Well, it's also like there might be a different way to say it, or I don't know like she was like scolding them, yeah, but. But I mean, I look at, I don't want to go to a concert with people smoking, hence why I don't like. I don't like crowds, I don't like people smoking. I hate the smell of pot, you know what I mean.
Rick Costa:Like, whatever, it's v special seating, but it's true because you don't have to be in the mix.
Carmen Lezeth:It's true, vip Honey again, tom Kibuji, I am okay with that, I'm good, I just choose not to go. But it's tone and when it's all about you, right, it's selfish. And, yeah, people are paying. If it was a free concert, do what you want, scream, screaming anybody you want, they can walk away, no big deal. But if people paying hundreds of dollars you know what I mean shoot charlie, oh, my man, charlie, backstage, or no way. See, charlie is with me, he is so with me, I agree%.
Carmen Lezeth:I told you one of my favorite concerts and I'm not in love with the Police or Sting, I know Sting's albums, but was going to his concert and being backstage because we were given tickets from somebody's boss in the line of work that we do and it was pretty incredible. And it was pretty incredible Actually, I don't know why I'm hiding his name, it's Dustin Hoffman, is very good friends. So one of my friends worked with him and she called me like that day. It was like what are you doing tonight? I'm like I'm free, why you want to go have dinner? She's like nope, be ready, I'm going to pick you up in an hour. And I was like where are we going? So it was kind of cool, but it was cooler because I could enjoy it and not have anxiety, you know. But Madonna got to have everybody who is making someone pay for something and that much money for you to sing your songs.
Carmen Lezeth:I don't think I would take that from anyone. Like you know, I think Aretha Franklin was a god. You know Whitney Houston was a god. Whitney Houston was a god. George Michael could get away with it for sure, but I'd be okay. Or Prince Prince could probably yell and scream at me. I'd be like, oh my god, thank you, I appreciate it.
Cynthia Lopez:You should probably join in, I know.
Carmen Lezeth:Oh, frank, at the Greek Theater. Wait, 10th row center. I need backstage. Still, charlie, there's still too many around me. I'm just messing with you. What else are we talking about? Wait a second.
Cynthia Lopez:Hey, hey.
Maurio Dawson:How are you?
Carmen Lezeth:Mario.
Maurio Dawson:I am fantastic. I'm just trying to get my screen together so I can see you guys, because I can't see anything. There you go Hi.
Cynthia Lopez:Hey.
Carmen Lezeth:The famous Mario Dawson.
Maurio Dawson:Oh, stop it.
Carmen Lezeth:Did you hear what I just said earlier?
Maurio Dawson:I heard.
Carmen Lezeth:The podcast is unbelievable. I don't know what you did. You must have lots of family.
Rick Costa:You told them all you said if you don't watch this thing.
Maurio Dawson:You may not be invited to the family barbecue. I just said you know. Welcome to the cookout. Come on through.
Carmen Lezeth:Rick, what did you just say, babe?
Rick Costa:I said he told everybody in his family if you don't watch this thing, nobody's invited to the family barbecue.
Maurio Dawson:Nope, yeah. And now welcome to the cookout. You can't have no ribs. That's the trick, that's it, you cannot come to the cookout.
Carmen Lezeth:That's awesome. I also want to give Mario some other credit. So Mario had suggested weeks ago that we should start with talking about what's one of our joyful things that happened that week or whatever, and so now, after going through my to-do list, I was like, oh yeah, right, right, right. I got to ask everybody it's a good idea.
Maurio Dawson:But it's a good way to start the show, because it's called All About the Joy, so the first thing you want to start to talk about is joy, and then you can go into everything else, whatever, it doesn't matter.
Carmen Lezeth:Yeah, no. So see, that's a good piece of criticism, and I just want to say this as well it's how you give criticism or advice, it's that tone that matters.
Maurio Dawson:Yeah.
Carmen Lezeth:And, like I said before, if I don't have respect for you and I don't care who you is and you have a bad tone, it's you know what I mean.
Maurio Dawson:Like that to me is all in the delivery, for sure.
Rick Costa:For sure. But it's a good point because I'll tell you right now. I saw, I clicked the video. I was like, okay, the title sounds interesting, I'm listening, I'm listening, I'm going to give you another minute. The topic wasn't discussed. Still, I was like, okay, bye.
Maurio Dawson:Right. I was like okay, bye, right, so it draws you in, and once you're in, then they'll say okay, what else are you talking about?
Carmen Lezeth:Well, you know what the problem is too. I mean, this is interesting because I was speaking to a producer from another podcast or whatever, who has like thousands, like 45,000 listeners. That's like unbelievable.
Maurio Dawson:Wow.
Carmen Lezeth:Because I wanted his uh, his advice. You know right, and he listens to my show, which is good, which is good, but he was saying that you can talk about it being all about the joy, or if your podcast is about space or whatever, whatever he's like. But what needs to happen is the show at some point needs to be branded so that when people come, they already know that's what they're, you know, coming to see. The other problem that he said is your show is about something good and, just like the news and just like anything else, people gravitate towards the drama of conflict and whatever. And we don't really have that much conflict unless it's funny, between each other or whatever. We're not really fighting about politics or religion or sex or whatever he's like. It's going to be slow.
Maurio Dawson:Unless you want to.
Carmen Lezeth:No, I'm not going to. No, I don't want to. I don't mind talking about relationships. There was a big to-do about penises a couple weeks ago with Ted. I'm just look at all of you are like whatever, what is this conversation going to be like if you're all doing that? And also, I don't want it to be a show that kids can't listen to. You know what I mean, and I don't mean children. Children I mean like my teenage goddaughters or something. So yeah, anyways, all right.
Cynthia Lopez:Wait, wait. What brought you joy this week?
Maurio Dawson:Well, not this week, but last week. You know, I was on vacation in Mexico, so I had a wonderful time that brought me tons and tons of joy. We stayed, we, we stayed. I'm sorry we stayed at this wonderful place in Cancun. It's called Pueblo Bonito, sunset Beach. They have four or five different resorts that they're all interconnected. We did the all-inclusive. I know how Carmen feels about all-inclusive, but this one was pretty great.
Carmen Lezeth:Again, I can't help it.
Maurio Dawson:It was a great, great vacation. We got to celebrate my daughter's 21st birthday while we were there. It was birthday, it was graduation, it was all the things you know. My anniversary is coming up what? Into the 4th of July, so you know my wife, don't forget that.
Cynthia Lopez:Well, it's kind of hard to forget.
Maurio Dawson:How can you?
Rick Costa:forget the 4th of July. Don't forget that. It's kind of hard to forget.
Maurio Dawson:How can you forget the 4th of July? You can never forget the 4th of.
Cynthia Lopez:July.
Maurio Dawson:We just had a great time. Did you check the beds? Real careful? I did. I flipped my bed. I flipped the bed. We stripped the sheets.
Cynthia Lopez:I ripped through the closet with my you have to tell people what that's about.
Maurio Dawson:That's so funny with my with my black light at rest.
Carmen Lezeth:My wife had me wiping down phones and wiping down the lamps and wiping down the doorknobs boy, I'm telling you, I was like I'm sorry I've traumatized so many people with the bed bug story, but it's good that you don't know.
Maurio Dawson:Sorry, I'm going to tell you a secret. Well, it's not a secret because I'm going to put it out here in the public. My neighbor had bed bugs and she had the nerve to say that they came from me. And I've lived in my place for 15 years and I never had a bed bug in my life. And she's that I never had a big bug in my life. Is she gonna blame it on me? I was like you know what?
Rick Costa:Yeah, she got it.
Carmen Lezeth:And she hasn't done anything about it to like-.
Maurio Dawson:The owner did. Yeah, the owner of the building had to. But yeah, what you're not gonna do is put that on me, so yeah, so she must have beaten them and gotten bit or something.
Carmen Lezeth:It's not something you just like. Oh, hey, I have bed bugs, You're going to have stuffage? Okay, I'm sorry. Hey, too much bed bugs. Why are we being quiet?
Rick Costa:Is she?
Maurio Dawson:watching. Her wall is right next door, so I have to go out like that grab like she's listening.
Cynthia Lopez:She got the cup on the wall okay, okay, you must have heard the podcast and everything. And she's like, oh, I'm gonna blame it on him.
Rick Costa:I heard the word bed bug. Let me see he gonna finally admit it well, I'm gonna get him today.
Maurio Dawson:She's like you're gonna learn today, I, I'm going to get you today, today, today that's showbiz. My job was vacation. I heard the question about what made me sad.
Carmen Lezeth:I didn't say what made you sad. No wait, we haven't finished with Rick and Cynthia.
Maurio Dawson:I was driving. I was just trying to jump in and get in.
Carmen Lezeth:Okay, they did not answer. Wait what, Rick?
Rick Costa:He's already here, might as well roll with it.
Carmen Lezeth:What we've got.
Maurio Dawson:I don't want to be rude it wasn't a question.
Carmen Lezeth:It wasn't what broke your heart this week.
Maurio Dawson:What broke my heart.
Carmen Lezeth:What disappointed you?
Maurio Dawson:My father did very much so. It's always drama when you have families come together for special occasions and they don't act right. It was that We've always had an up and down relationship, but he really disappointed me while he was here. I'm not going to go into what he did. He knows what he did and it was you know, it affected my whole family. But we moved on. We're good, god is good.
Carmen Lezeth:So what did you? Was there anything out of? I mean, you seem okay with it, but was there something?
Maurio Dawson:No, I'm not okay with it, but I'm going to be. You have to keep moving forward because you can't live in somebody else's trauma. His trauma is not my trauma and you can't. I'm not going to allow anyone to pour their trauma on me and affect my life the way he has in the past. So you know, god bless him.
Carmen Lezeth:I understand 100% and the hardest thing is to realize that just because people are your family or biologically related to you, or whatever terminology you need to use to justify it, does not mean people have the right to treat you a certain way, and it's really hard for a lot of people to walk away from family and I think it was the best thing I ever did.
Maurio Dawson:Yeah, and I love my dad. But we've always had this rollercoaster of a relationship since I was a kid and I always want to make sure that I do everything right by my parents, no matter what. And, Rick, you know the Bible says honor thy father and thy mother that thou may be long upon the land. Thus saith the Lord. So I was raised in that, I was indoctrinated with that to honor my parents. So I always do my best to do that. I'm very close to my mom and my dad and, like I said, we have an up and down relationship. I brought him here, wanted to make sure he was here for my daughter's graduation. Things did not go the way we expected, but that's okay.
Carmen Lezeth:But but that's all right, so that was my sad part well, good for you for finding a way to deal with it yeah, for sure, everyone has to, because you can't make your someone else's trauma your trauma people do it all the time they try.
Maurio Dawson:Yeah, yeah, and it's okay, we move forward. Yeah, gotta do.
Rick Costa:My dad's passed, but there's nobody on this planet Earth that ever could get me as angry, riled up, emotional as my father Nobody.
Carmen Lezeth:Let me try. Let me try.
Rick Costa:No, I'm just kidding, can't do it.
Carmen Lezeth:Sorry, it can't happen. Was there anything that disappointed you this week, but you found something positive out of it? Or did anyone romantically disappoint you? I'm just kidding.
Maurio Dawson:Come on in the room it has to have broke your heart.
Carmen Lezeth:Everyone always thinks that means a romantic thing. I just mean anyone in person.
Rick Costa:I wasn't sure what I was going to say, but then we said the word romantic. It sparked a memory. This happened today. A woman. Oh God, what revealed this is from Periscope days. This woman Now she didn't say it to me, but she said it to others who told it to me Because, you know, nobody can keep a secret this woman said God told her that I was going to be her husband and I'm like well, until God tells me you are delusional he didn't put me in that conference call.
Rick Costa:I didn't get that conference call. Once in a while she'll hit me up. Pray for me, blah, blah, blah. Today I got to hope she ain't watching because she's going to hate me. Today she sent me a message. My landlord is going to kick me out tomorrow. Do you have any money so I don't get kicked out? I'm like do I have the word bank on my forehead? Who told you I had money?
Cynthia Lopez:You're already her husband.
Maurio Dawson:You are cleaved.
Carmen Lezeth:Playing alimony or something.
Rick Costa:That was disappointing.
Maurio Dawson:I guess you are cleaved If she's asking you for money now, come on.
Carmen Lezeth:That's weird. I wonder why people think it's okay to do that. I had that happen with a couple of friends friends from school who logged on to Facebook, added me as their friend or whatever, and I was like, oh, we went to school together, whatever, and then like the next day, an email. And this happened not just once or twice, it happened like three times. Cynthia, I'll tell you who they are later. Um, it's that weird thing where they they just look at whether you have money or not. I would never not have spoken to someone for like 20 years or 10 in my case, because I'm not that old, no, I'm just kidding, but like 20. One of them was like 30 years ago, so like high school or whatever, and ask me for money.
Carmen Lezeth:I guess you'd have. You're probably in a very tough place and so you're asking everyone. But I don't know. I've never been in that kind of position and even when I was a kid and homeless I would never ask anybody for money or help. I guess I would take help, but I'm not a kid, we're adults. There has to be a relationship. Did you send out the money?
Rick Costa:Again, I don't got the word bank on my forehead, no, oh. And then another person this was today too. On Venmo I got a message saying a request for money because he can't get to work today or tomorrow and this gets money. I don't know if it's for gas or whatever. And I did send him money twice, actually Not big amounts, small. Is this someone you know Barely? But then the last time, the first time I was like this is a gift because your kids are going to be hungry. And I feel bad. Second time he says I'm going to pay you back. Well, he never paid me back. Now he sent me a Venmo request for money.
Carmen Lezeth:I was like he never even paid me back for the first time.
Rick Costa:Yeah, I almost said what I was thinking it might be a scammer yeah, hey, kevin, hi Kevin.
Carmen Lezeth:I almost said it might be a scammer yeah.
Maurio Dawson:Hey Kevin, hi Kevin, hey Melanie I almost said it might be a scammer.
Maurio Dawson:Yeah, but I'm going to tell you we have a friend who just reached out to us and said hey, I'm doing this, can you send me some money Just randomly out of the blue. And I said well, not right now because I have other things going on. My family, you know, this is my daughter's year for school. Gary graduated as we just started school Things. You know, other issues no, I can't do it. Then they came back again Can you do? You think you can? I was like, no, I can't really do it. Then you come back a third time. I said I'll tell you what you send me, your Zelle information, and when I have it, you'll get it.
Carmen Lezeth:You guys are much nicer than I am no, no, they're still waiting. No, no, I know, Kevin just said can I get a $5?
Cynthia Lopez:$5.
Carmen Lezeth:Let me read what Melanie just said as well Makes me glad that I wasn't popular in school. I wasn't popular in school at all because I was never really there, but I was not in any group so much. But I don't know, it's that people make an assumption about you after they haven't seen you in high school for 20, 30 years, because they've looked at whatever images are on social media or whatever, or whatever they think they've decided. And yeah, I mean that's why it was so random. But, mario, the reason why I said you're so much nicer than I am is, well, you and I kind of already talked about this.
Maurio Dawson:I'm just like no, I don't give a reason like no I mean, I can, I can be a straight shooter, but you know, I try to lead with grace first, but then if you can't catch a clue, then I just leave you on read, you know, and then you just wait for those three dots.
Cynthia Lopez:Right, but what's?
Carmen Lezeth:the three dots.
Maurio Dawson:Huh.
Carmen Lezeth:Is that an iPhone thing?
Maurio Dawson:Well, no, it's just any phone now. Anytime someone's typing, there'll just be three dots and you're still waiting for them to reply and you just never reply. Yeah, I know, did you guys get?
Rick Costa:that, cynthia? Yeah, they're typing, but you can't see what they wrote yet. But you can tell they're typing something because it goes oh like on Instagram.
Carmen Lezeth:I don't get that on my Samsung, but.
Maurio Dawson:I do.
Carmen Lezeth:Instagram yeah.
Maurio Dawson:No, I get it on my Samsung too.
Carmen Lezeth:Oh, I don't know. Oh, is that the chat box thing or chat oh?
Cynthia Lopez:I don't use it. I still use it.
Carmen Lezeth:The regular way. That's why, okay, somebody saw my phone the other day at work, somebody was my boss's wife and like, when I have my phone and my text messages coming it's really big. Like I don't even mess with the regular. I always make everything really loud and people like that's what old people do. I'm like I don't care, I can read it easily, no problem. But she was laughing. She's like carmen, what is wrong with you?
Cynthia Lopez:you're like an old lady old lady, call me anything, my life.
Carmen Lezeth:You're like an old lady. What was your old lady? Call me anything you want, my life is-.
Maurio Dawson:You've got the bougie old lady now.
Carmen Lezeth:I do. It's really big. That's funny. Yeah, look, I think it's great that you lead with grace and I try to, but I also think sometimes for me anyway in my past times of explaining too much, I end up then still getting a request again or an even bigger, sadder story and they don't get the point. And to me it's a little classless to just see someone again for the first time in years and then be like in the next breath I'm really bad. Can you send me money? This person needed bail money and was asking, I guess, everyone and asking everyone to give them 500 bucks.
Cynthia Lopez:Do you know who it is? Is she?
Maurio Dawson:laughing at you or is she laughing at me Cause I'm confused? I laughing at me because I'm confused.
Rick Costa:I don't know why I'm thinking of that song. What have you done for me lately?
Carmen Lezeth:oh my god yeah, and I was like that's not going to make me feel sorry for you at all, because I haven't talked to you in years and I don't know what you did, but I'm afraid for you because this will be our last.
Cynthia Lopez:The fact that they told you that it was for bail money. I would have responded like see you on Monday. Oh no, it's a long weekend. See you Tuesday. The first time I got to see it.
Carmen Lezeth:I didn't even see it. You know what I mean. Like I wasn't even using anything on time. It was on Facebook and your just weren't connected, you know, to your messenger phone or whatever, like my. I don't get Facebook messages on my phone Cause I still have it disconnected, but when I go onto Facebook I can see. You know what I mean. I just made it unread and left it Cause I was like, and then, like you know, like a day later they were like this is what it's for bail money.
Carmen Lezeth:I was like wrong you know I'm in the hospital, you'd help maybe give it a breath.
Maurio Dawson:She's been there with the wrong story. That was the wrong story story. It's true. That was wrong for a 20-minute sentence. You are SOL, you will keep waiting. If you wait, no, me no, it won't happen.
Carmen Lezeth:So, that's kind of weird, but true anyways. Wait, cynthia, you didn't answer. Wait, did Rick finish? I feel like he didn't. No, that's pretty much it, okay, cool, all right, go ahead, cynthia. Well.
Cynthia Lopez:I was a little disappointed with one of my co-workers, um, the older woman that works at the front with me. Like she, yesterday I came home. I was so upset because I literally dealt with everything yesterday on my own because she decided that was the day she was going to clean her desk and get rid of all her old papers. Get you know, do some ordering of supplies. Oh yeah, the whole day did she?
Carmen Lezeth:did she say anything when you, when you told her that you were moving on and getting a?
Cynthia Lopez:job. She's sad about it because she's one of the ones who's going to have to do some work now. Yeah.
Rick Costa:I know.
Carmen Lezeth:She's also much older. Yeah, she is.
Maurio Dawson:You know what this is? That's the baby.
Carmen Lezeth:I need violin.
Rick Costa:I almost said, I would have got homesick.
Cynthia Lopez:I would have got homesick. I was close, I really wanted to it's so crazy Wow.
Maurio Dawson:I would have.
Carmen Lezeth:I'm having issues with people of an older generation, you know, like the what's that generation, what's?
Maurio Dawson:the baby boomers.
Carmen Lezeth:Yeah, I'm having some issues and not happy about it, but like that's why I said that she's older, cause I, okay, I called Juliana the other day. We had a Juliana is my God daughter, for those who don't know and she's 15. And I called her the other day and asked her, like okay, what does she think as an older, you know, gen X person? Does she think I may or may not be doing? That may not be working when I talk to someone of Gen Z generation? You know, cause I was trying to see maybe there's something generational. And she was so cute in her answer Cause she was like you know, maybe, and she gave me like this list, and then she was like you know what, I don't know.
Cynthia Lopez:I love this one. You know what I don't know?
Carmen Lezeth:I love this you know what I mean. So it was really cool.
Maurio Dawson:It was fun um he said, these kids are built different.
Carmen Lezeth:I don't know oh, she needs to retire, then you know what I'm trying not to be old enough to retire?
Maurio Dawson:she definitely is, but it's sad that financially she can't in this economy yeah, yeah, sometimes it's just like that, but if you're going to continue to work, then you gotta be willing to do the work.
Carmen Lezeth:You understand what I'm saying like this person that I have that's older, just is not techie at all, and that's actually not a bad thing. If you then find other ways to let us know what's going on, you can call me. If you don't know how to text, write or whatever, or you don't know how to answer email, you can call me, and if I don't answer, leave a message. I will get to it, I'll call you and we can go. So that's what, look. I don't expect everyone to know everything as times change. I know at some point, and right now I can tell you there's some things I don't know. I just just said it right now. Oh, the chat box.
Rick Costa:You know what I mean.
Carmen Lezeth:Because I don't so I think it naturally happens as we get older we get wiser, but then we're probably not in on the newest thing happening. So I'm trying not to be ageist, because we will be there all someday.
Cynthia Lopez:Yeah.
Carmen Lezeth:You do have to do is find a way to do your job If you're going to keep it. That's for everybody.
Maurio Dawson:As my grandmother would say, just keep on living here. Just keep on living, cause you'll get there. You know we'll all get there. And again, my word of the day grace. And again my word of the day grace. We had to show a little grace to our old and to our elders.
Maurio Dawson:I know it's hard, because it's even for me, with my mom. You know, my mama is of a particular woman, of a particular age, as she says, and she has problems with phones and apps. Now she really she's trying and like she's doing, but I can guarantee you next week she's like can you help me with this? With this bank app, again, I got locked out. I'm like, okay, well, well, what do you? What do you do? I'm like she's trying to do on like like her online bill pay. Now, that is, she's on the struggle bus so that she needs a permanent bus pass on the struggle bus.
Maurio Dawson:She is struggling, but I have to ask her son, as a younger person, I'm going to always go, but then, what's even better, she has a granddaughter who's even more proficient but has less patience. These younger kids, they're so just tech savvy, they're just doing everything at 1,000 miles a minute. I said, dude, this X, y and Z is just not that simple. You've got to slow down and give them some grace. But, like Cynthia said, you've got to do the work. Now You've got to be willing to do. You also said pick up a phone, answer an email, send a smoke signal, do something you can do that.
Carmen Lezeth:There are some that take advantage. So I'm very direct and ask what are your strengths? And then put them in charge of all of that, while I do the rest. Well, look, here's the thing. I agree with you 100 percent and in theory that does work. But the reality is, when I asked the person that I work with, what can I do to help you? Cause I know you've been doing this work for this family for 25 years, right, that's the other thing.
Carmen Lezeth:There's a loyalty thing with this family and about them but, she's in her late seventies and she gets insulted instead of you know like she's, I'm doing it, I can do it all good and it's like right yeah that's what I've gotten, and I'm like I am. I'm trying to be helpful. You know I call you when when I need some advice on how to deal with blah, blah, blah and I do she's been with them for 25 years. You know, right, all of the information and skills that I don't know and don't have, right.
Cynthia Lopez:Let me ask you a question Does she have? You know what FOMO is right, You're missing out.
Carmen Lezeth:So does she? I know what that means.
Cynthia Lopez:Carmen, is your co-worker. Like, does she do that? Like does she have fear of missing out on other things? Like, if you're talking with the other younger group or whatever about tech stuff, does she ever chime in and say, oh well, how come I'm not included in this?
Carmen Lezeth:I mean we work in different states and different things. So I'll give you an example of what happened. So I will get a call saying that I don't know. I'm going to come up with a scenario that makes sense but not give it away. Let's say the person is in charge of all of the maintenance people that fix one of our clients' properties. They own property in another state, in New York, and, um, I don't have anything to do with that. I don't have anything to do with who the vendors are, who the. I just know how much money I need to dump in there. You know what I mean Get an okay from our boss to dump into that account so we can pay the payroll yeah.
Carmen Lezeth:Yeah, bookkeeper can pay the bills or whatever. Um, my whole job with this client is to be the interface between anyone and him. Right, so I will deal with the lawyers, the cpas, but my job is not maintenance of the property and the cars and the how you know the the house staff. Okay, right right that's her job, because she's there, and that's what she's been doing for 25 years. So me getting a call from vendors or other staff members there because they're complaining yeah, that's probably been paid.
Carmen Lezeth:The bookkeeper doesn't know who this vendor is, because they were just sent a bill with no reference. She's supposed to okay everything. You know what I mean. She's supposed to say yes or no. She doesn't answer emails, she doesn't text people, she doesn't get back to people fast enough. So when somebody's calling me about not getting paid and they just mowed the lawn, I'm not trying to say that's beneath me, but it's certainly-.
Maurio Dawson:But that's not your job.
Carmen Lezeth:It's not, but it's certainly but that's not your job, it's not. But it is my job to fix what's broken right. So if there's a situation where vendors or staff people are not getting paid and the bookkeeper's frustrated because she's not getting paid, that is my job. So I called her directly, right? I called her directly and I tell her I'm getting all these and that's where she gets offended. So I don't know if it's a fear of missing out. I I say this with respect, I just think it's.
Carmen Lezeth:She hasn't kept up with stuff because it's techie for her okay, so maybe people are emailing her so you know she'll hire them or she'll say, yes, we'll pay you, like verbally, yeah. But then she doesn't answer people's emails because most people don't talk on the phone anymore.
Cynthia Lopez:Mm-hmm, you know, I mean.
Carmen Lezeth:I don't mean that in a bad way In the work that we do. People are digital and emailing and you know chatting it's faster.
Cynthia Lopez:You can multitask with emails.
Carmen Lezeth:It's just a new way of doing things. That's what I think her problem is. I don't know if it's the fear of missing out. It could be that I just don't know her personally. I've never met her.
Rick Costa:I know a lot of older people. They don't want to admit they don't know how to do something. That's an issue. I'm not an idiot. I know how to do that.
Maurio Dawson:Was there pride coming before the fall? So you're supposed to just be able to ask. And it is hard. It's definitely hard, but people also, they feel like when they have to ask you questions, it shows weakness and it shows vulnerability. But we may not see it that way and that shows vulnerability, but we may not see it that way, but as the individual coming into the person. If you're insecure about something, it may feel like it's weakness.
Carmen Lezeth:And that may be an issue with a lot of our seniors. Well, there was this one time where this was like months ago, but this is what I realized. I was like, oh, she's so stressed. This was like months ago, but this is what I realized, like, oh, she's so stressed. I called her from my boss's home here in Malibu and my boss was in the room. But we have this speaker thing. It's just like a speaker box where you can call and everyone in the room can hear, right.
Maurio Dawson:Yeah.
Carmen Lezeth:Conference box.
Maurio Dawson:Yeah.
Carmen Lezeth:Yeah, but it's just. It's yes, anyways, but you didn't know that's where I was calling from. I mean, she knew I was calling from his number, but she didn't. She didn't realize that he was in the room. You know what I mean. Like she got really snippety and really whatever. And then he was like hey, i'm'm here and what's going on, are you okay?
Carmen Lezeth:and then her tone completely changed I was like I was like, and that's what I mean. Like you try to be nice, you try to be grateful, and then they're frustrated for whatever reason.
Carmen Lezeth:And usually I can calm her down from getting. I'll be like I'll take care of it, I'll deal with it. But I think that's also bad because it now continues to be me. But yeah, he stepped in it and he was more upset with the tone changing. I was too. At that point. I was like wow Cause, that just shows a lack of respect for anyone else she's talking to. That might be upset.
Maurio Dawson:Yeah, that's definitely an indication of how she talks to other people, and so if she's talking to you like that and she got busted, just imagine how she's talking to other people, other vendors.
Cynthia Lopez:Especially the vendors.
Maurio Dawson:Yeah, people, you have to. She is a representation of him, so if that's what they're getting, it makes him look bad and he's going to realize that eventually, and bless her soul, she's going to have to, you know. Move on to the next phase.
Carmen Lezeth:It is a money thing. And I only know because so many times she'll mention something and she's like I know I'm going to get fired. I know I'm going to get fired. Well, if you know, stop doing it, Damn.
Cynthia Lopez:If you know, then stop doing it Like this, tell her.
Carmen Lezeth:It's your face, your energy.
Cynthia Lopez:Oh my God, that's hilarious. The one I work with, she has total FOMO. We had a company donate a standing desk to us, and so you know whoever wanted one grabbed one and there was one that was left over.
Cynthia Lopez:So our manager, you know, asked you know, if you guys want it, you can grab it. Blah, blah, blah. She said it to all of us. Well, how come I can't have that? I said you can, if you want it, you can grab it. She's like well, no, I don't want it. I said so why are you asking? She goes because I want to be included and I'm like but you were she told everyone.
Maurio Dawson:At that point I would have been like ma'am, ma'am, excuse me, ma'am, you know good and hell well, you didn't want that why you can't even come over here. Go have several seats, mind your business. Just rest your nerves. Rest my nerves, we'll be all good and then have a cup of coffee. Enjoy your day. Thank you very much. Thanks for stopping by.
Carmen Lezeth:Is that fear of missing out or is it being kind of lonely and wanting people to pay attention to you? Is that kind of the same thing? I mean fear of missing out feels different to me. I feel like sometimes a lot of us react a certain way because we don't feel included. Right, I'm not making excuses for her, I'm just trying to look at it. I come from this place where I'm starting to realize that at some point we all going to get older. There are just some facts that are feel negative, but I'm embracing it all. Like getting older, we're all going to die at some point. Like that's for sure. You know what I mean. Like there were certainties we're all going to get wrinkles, we all going to have our boobies drop, whatever, Maybe not you guys. You know what I'm saying.
Carmen Lezeth:All of us yeah we're in something, and so how can we be more full of grace? Yeah, grace and it's your word of the day it is, it's the word of the day grace.
Carmen Lezeth:Try to be more great of and I just don't know how to fix it. And, um, I know it's not my job, but as a person who wants to grow all the time, as a good human being, I want to be more understanding and I also think when we can understand things, maybe we can treat it differently or deal with it differently, you know.
Maurio Dawson:But see, now, here's the trick about grace you can show a lot of grace, but then there's a point where people can take advantage of it and it's like now I'm leading with grace, now I'm coming with grace. However, you're not going to keep doing it. You know, because now, after I've explained to you in a kind, loving way, and I've come to you directly and I've spoken to you about what the issue is, and you acknowledge that you hear me and you say well, I know I'm going to get fired. Well, then, you want to get fired? Then at that point, I'm done. At that point I'm going to say I'm going to leave you where you are, be blessed. I'm going to say I'm going to leave you where you are, be blessed, and good luck and Godspeed, because you know there's only a certain line let me read what Amma just wrote.
Carmen Lezeth:Sounds like she feels like she's better than and. It should have been offered to her first so she can turn it down and then ask everyone else that's true I think that is Nazeem turn it down and then ask everyone else. That's true, I think that is.
Rick Costa:Nazeem.
Carmen Lezeth:Oh my God, nazeem, how are you? How? Are you and Cynthia I don't think you know Nazeem, but he's an old friend from a different time, so we're at a different app which I'm never mentioning here again, but we have not seen him. So it's like five o'clock in the morning, right, nazi, he's great um nazine. What time is it in italy?
Carmen Lezeth:oh, they're like nine hours ahead, right, yeah, yeah, yeah it's like always like two or three in the morning or something, when he's uh chit-chatting on uh an app. It's like 3 in the morning or something, when he's chit-chatting on an app.
Maurio Dawson:It's like 4 in the morning.
Carmen Lezeth:Yeah, I want you to come on this show when you're awake in the middle of the night and your wife is asleep.
Maurio Dawson:Oh, that's too bad. No, it's more, it's 5.54.
Carmen Lezeth:Come on and talk with us, be a guest, come on the show. But I'm so glad you're here. I miss you. I think Rick would agree, right, don't? We miss him a little bit.
Rick Costa:Oh yeah, Nazeem's a very cool dude, for sure. You said a little bit.
Carmen Lezeth:What it's. Just me, nazeem, I'm going to send you an invite next Thursday. But you an invite next Thursday, but you can come whenever you want. I'll send it to you at your Facebook or your email address. We'd love to have you on the show. Okay, deal, deal, and if you can't do it at this time, you and I can have a private lounge. We'll have Rick on too and chit-chatting.
Maurio Dawson:How rude. I can't be in the private lounge. How's the nerve?
Cynthia Lopez:Me and you are left out, Mario, I'm telling you like the red-headed stepchild children that we are.
Maurio Dawson:Sounds like FOMO. No, you know what. Forget y'all. How about that?
Carmen Lezeth:You're lifting out? Okay, perfect.
Rick Costa:We'll definitely do it next week, for sure, I promise, promise, that'd be great. I know it's funny, because the story that cynthia just said, right, I was reading, uh, like it was a fictional story and this woman was like just mad as a hornet and these people were going to a wedding and she's like why are you so mad? And then they came to find out because she didn't get invited to the wedding and they're like oh well, here you can go in my place, that's fine.
Maurio Dawson:Oh, I don't want to go. I don't want to go, I just want the invitation Right. No.
Rick Costa:Oh, my God.
Maurio Dawson:I've gotten that too.
Carmen Lezeth:I can take that from another, because I remember when I was younger, I, when I was younger, I was not invited to hang out with, like um, melanie had kind of mentioned the cool kids. Um, I was kind of an outsider but also thought of as kind of cool because I was rehearsing. I was I wasn't always hanging in the hood with everybody else, you know, um, but I remember like then they would be like having parties or going wherever or hanging out and they wouldn't invite me and I would feel like, oh my God, nobody even thought of me or whatever. It's not like you had to be invited to the neighborhood chat, you know, hanging out on the street, but if you weren't invited or no one gave you a heads up that there was a special time, that we were all going to be doing something, I felt really bad. I just wanted to be asked.
Carmen Lezeth:I probably would have never gone anyway, right, yeah, we just had so many parties, you know underground parties or whatever, which is a place I would have never wanted to be anyways, but not being asked made me feel like crap.
Maurio Dawson:It is like that. I've been that way too, where you know, I just wanted to be asked Most of the I'm going to say no, Anyway, it's just the thought of being asked.
Carmen Lezeth:But, by the way, I was 17 or 16 at the time, so I just want to clear that up.
Maurio Dawson:Oh.
Carmen Lezeth:I'm 50 something and I still feel that way, like just now when you cried about not being invited to the private lounge.
Cynthia Lopez:Yes.
Rick Costa:But I'm always quick to say like, like, if it is, somebody does ask me to do something or whatever, and I'm like thank you for thinking of me, you know, but no, but thank you for thinking of me, thank you.
Carmen Lezeth:Yeah, yeah, I appreciate it, thank you, but no, thank you and then sometimes I will go and I'll be the life of the party and they'll all be grateful. I want, want you. You know what I'm saying. Okay, I'm sorry. All right, you guys didn't think that was funny. I did.
Cynthia Lopez:If Tony would think it's funny, cause he'd be like I want to know if you have any say in firing that person.
Carmen Lezeth:Oh, I missed home. I'm so sorry. I was just looking at Nazeem's comments. Do you have any say in that? Oh, if not, if not, then your fee should go up because your job duties are expiring. You're so amazing.
Carmen Lezeth:So let me explain what I do, because that would make more sense. So I people will say I'm a business manager. But you know anybody can say they're a business manager and just like a life coach, and you know anybody can tell them I actually, when people hire me, they know I do organizational management. And the reason why I call it that is because I come into any situation and I just try to fix what's broken. So, for example, my biggest job is firing and hiring people. So, yeah, that's, that's the major thing that I do.
Carmen Lezeth:I also come in and make suggestions on procedures and, um, you know, depending on what kind of uh client it is, it has a little bit of tweaky stuff. Like sometimes I just do um, you know, being the front face for especially my A-list clients, you know that are celebrities. They're not going to go and sit at the bank to talk to them about moving money around or investing in something else. So I'll go get the information, I'll be the middle person and then go deliver it to them with all the suggestions, then go back, right, so it's like that person. But yeah, and I do a lot of overall management and that's pretty much it. So, yeah, I do have a say in if they get fired. But that's all in the bling amount I charge.
Maurio Dawson:As you should now with this particular person. Are you at that point or are you going to get, continue to show a little bit more grace?
Carmen Lezeth:Oh, I always show her grace because she is an elder.
Maurio Dawson:Right.
Carmen Lezeth:But she also knows that just by her own mistake. But I have suggested that they think about a different way we can use her. So this is part of the problem that people don't understand. You have to use people's strengths.
Cynthia Lopez:Strengths yeah, I agree.
Carmen Lezeth:It's not any, that's any age you can't be like. Oh, rick, I know that. I mean, we love your personality, we think you're great, we'd love to hire you. We're going to put you in charge of all the accounting. I don't know if you're an accountant, but that would be like a tech it person. I don't know, jack, about IT stuff. You know what?
Rick Costa:I mean IT, I would take, but numbers no.
Carmen Lezeth:No, no, but you see what I mean. What did he say? I see that with what?
Rick Costa:I said, it I would do because I've done it before, but anything with numbers, nah.
Carmen Lezeth:But you see what the point I'm trying to say. Right, there is a longevity of a relationship. These people, their strength, the reason why I keep working for them is they are loyal and that tells me a lot about the quality of who they are. So the conversation I've had with them is not to fire her, but the conversation I've had with her and him is it might be time to change her position.
Carmen Lezeth:What she does for you all. Uh, maybe give her a little bump in money, because I think that's also what's stressing her out, like she's been getting paid the same amount of money for a very long time oh, wow it's not their fault. It's a little bit more complicated. She was hired for somebody else right then the thing and then it's been so long. Things have changed over over time, so nobody was like supervising that whole situation yeah she is part of the family in a way because it's been so long.
Carmen Lezeth:So that's on them. I made my suggestions yeah, it's complicated.
Maurio Dawson:It seems like it's really complicated. It's not very cut and dry, right also?
Carmen Lezeth:alma Also, alma just made a great point or they need an assistant, what I suggested, because I think she would interpret that as I'm not getting my job and I'm going to get fired. She would right, no, yeah. But she would say, she's going to get an assistant for that state house, you know what I mean. Yeah For the house that gets somebody else to assist in in all things, but not say it's for her.
Maurio Dawson:But say no, yeah, it's for. Yeah, you bring them in under her. So you'll say you're, you're the supervisor. It means it gives you a title. So, yeah, I mean that's that's you know. That's a good idea. It's just maybe the approaches to how you bring the person in, you know, and, like you said, just give them a bump, it's not a lot. Give them a bump, make them feel like a supervisor and you're getting that. She's getting the extra help she needs.
Carmen Lezeth:Yeah, but that's like the last part that I have to do with it. Like, at that point, like I make suggestions to my clients, it's on them to pursue it. You know what?
Maurio Dawson:I mean.
Carmen Lezeth:Some are like whatever you want, carmen, go ahead, do it, cause they know I will go and fire them myself. Right, they're not going to do it, so I'll be the bad guy and I'm fine. I get paid to do that. But if they're, you know, taking their time or don't want to, I got none else to say.
Maurio Dawson:I'm curious how do you fire people? How do you deliver the bad news?
Carmen Lezeth:Well deliver the bad news well, first of, all, it's not that quick. So like, let's say, I was going to fire you from whatever position you're working for, I mean your heart and soul. And on that private lounge podcast we did last week that you can find at youtube, all about the joy boom, there it is plug it don't see me which I made sure that I clicked like on.
Rick Costa:like everybody should Smash that like button.
Carmen Lezeth:That's right, like that shit. Okay, I just did that, like Chris Gayle did, right, a really nice moment, and then you mess it up. But it wouldn't be abrupt, I would, you know, because, not even by law but out of decency, you want to give people chances, but you really do have to give people at least three warnings before you. Actually, so they're not surprised by the time it happens Doesn't mean they're not annoyed.
Carmen Lezeth:So usually I am. I am hired when everyone's frustrated and they're going to get fired anyway. Not that they know, but they've tried like they think they've tried everything. Get him a cardboard box.
Rick Costa:With a security escort.
Cynthia Lopez:Wow, that's the impression with me. Wow, I like that. Just walk in.
Maurio Dawson:He's coming to the office with a box on your desk. You bet your shit. You got to go.
Carmen Lezeth:Sign here, take your shit. You got to go. Sign here, take your shit.
Maurio Dawson:Hit the clipboard, sign your shit, get out. Have a good day.
Carmen Lezeth:So the first time it's not a warning. It feels like I'm just trying to tell you what I need you to do, instead of what you've been doing.
Carmen Lezeth:Right you know what I mean. So I'll be like Mario, you know what. I know that this may be the way you've always done it, but I need you to step it up. I need it to be on time, I need it to be accurate, and if you need any help with that, let me know, because I'm happy to sit here and help you. Come up with a different way on how to do blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Cynthia Lopez:Exactly.
Carmen Lezeth:That's warning number one. You're never confused. That that's warning number one specifically to fix, and it's always usually a little gossipy that they know I'm going to fire somebody, okay. Second, the second warning is usually like a little bit more curt. If you will a little bit more forward, I bring them to a separate room. I bring the boss in if he or she is around.
Carmen Lezeth:We have a conversation that this is the second warning. You promised that you would work with Carmen. You probably. You know, by this date we said we reevaluate. So this is abruptly the second time and second warning that we need you to do blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know what I mean. Like you can say by the third time, they know I'm frustrated. There's no way you can tell, not tell that I'm frustrated and cause now I'm being a little bit more whatever and I'm like OK, so here's the conversation. This is the last time in 30 days. We need this to be fixed Like one one. The biggest thing sometimes is that people think and kind of hide that they've done it when they actually haven't. Oh, wait a minute, wait, hold on a second. But the third, the third time. They have a timetable it needs to be met. We have a real evaluation and there's never a confusion that they're about to get fired. Wait, I usually have papers for them to sign and whatever a severance package, and that's what I'm talking about.
Carmen Lezeth:so it's really three times warning, fourth time we're done. So Alma just said that would actually be such a power move. You walk in with supplies, a stack of moving boxes and tape, and say not sure who's going to need these, but people can sue us. When do they slash a car? Well, here's the thing, my client when do they?
Cynthia Lopez:slash a car tire.
Rick Costa:That's funny.
Carmen Lezeth:Well, here's the thing, my client, something bad has happened before and it wasn't my car, but somebody got so upset that they and this is why nobody has my address, not even my clients know where I live. I have a PO box on purpose.
Maurio Dawson:You should.
Carmen Lezeth:Because that time was like it was earlier in my career. I have a PO Box on purpose. You should Because that time was earlier in my career. That's what I'll say. And they came to my house and left dead flowers one week. It was a little scary. It was a little scary. That's why I changed. I actually moved out of one place because of that. I vowed never, ever, ever, to give out my address to anyone again yeah, no, that's when.
Carmen Lezeth:That's when the mario shows up my clients know in the stipulation, if something happens to me because of this, that they are. Uh, you know, not everyone always agrees to it, but it's a clause in my contract yeah because it is a dangerous thing to do, especially if people look at. The problem usually isn't the person, it's usually the management, supervisor or boss who didn't train them correctly. So I'm telling you nine times out of 10, that's the problem.
Maurio Dawson:Say it loud for the people in the back, like the. Rolling Stones song bring me dead flowers in the morning man, you do something like that to me it's, it's a rap for you. It's because I'm a different person. I come off nice and sweet. You know, got a little soft voice, but then english yourself no, no, englewood will show up. Don't play, don't play, englewood will show up.
Rick Costa:I actually showed Grace this morning. A customer asked for a quote for a particular item, didn't say how many. They just said can you send me a quote for blah, blah, blah? I wrote him back and I said can you please send me all your billing and shipping information and how many you're looking for, and I'll go in my system and set up a quote to send you. Mr Smarty Pants writes me back and says well, how are you going to give him a quote when you don't know how many he wants? So instead of saying dummy, did you not read what I wrote? I said exactly. So I'm going to write them again for clarification there you go.
Rick Costa:I gave grace, that is grace.
Carmen Lezeth:That's grace, but we can do both.
Carmen Lezeth:We're all about the joy. Oh, don't mess with Tony's logo, come on. Yeah, I just think it's. Look, some people get mad at me, but that's why, over time, I've learned how to do it differently. I try to be as helpful as possible, I try to be whatever, so that they're not confused Like the last person. I fired two people in the past month. Wow, you're on a roll. And you know what? When I had the conversation with them, or you know, our bosses and me had the conversation with them they didn't get upset, they knew they knew it was coming, yeah.
Carmen Lezeth:And we give them a nice severance. So they have a few months to figure out what's next. You know, and yeah, because the people I work for all have money. This would be a different ball game if it was a startup or whatever. I don't take those clients because I I I can't fire or hire someone who doesn't have enough money, like you can't hire a cfo for eighty thousand dollars, nowhere not how it works out here, you know.
Maurio Dawson:so if you ain't got the money, you're gonna have to get a CFO for $80,000. No, nowhere, not how it works out here.
Carmen Lezeth:So if you ain't got the money, you're going to have to get a really really, really young, young up and coming hoping to be an accountant. You know what I mean. That will take you to the grand, you know what I mean and then become CFO someday when you make money. But I can't be going to somebody who's making $200,000, $250,000 minimum as a CFO of some organization out here and say, yes, no, it's the fixer.
Cynthia Lopez:She is the fixer.
Carmen Lezeth:You know what that's so negative, Nazeem?
Maurio Dawson:So basically when you fire them you say hasta la vista, baby.
Rick Costa:Yeah, no I don't, and after step two she'd be like I'll be back.
Cynthia Lopez:Right.
Carmen Lezeth:I actually do my job. I'm just good at it, and you all know that that's not what I want to be doing.
Maurio Dawson:I know, but you're just so bad going good at what you do. I know, but you're just so good at what you do.
Carmen Lezeth:It's not that I'm just saying it's easy to be the bad guy or the bad cop, so the bosses look good. That really is what it is, that I do.
Maurio Dawson:Do you like being the villain?
Rick Costa:I can't be the villain.
Maurio Dawson:Sometimes it's fun to be the villain I've always heard actors love playing villains.
Rick Costa:Yeah, they do, thank you the villain.
Carmen Lezeth:I've always heard actors love playing villains. Yeah, they do. Thank you, rick, but I don't like it because, at the end of the day, what I do, no matter how well or nice or with all that warning, it hurts people.
Maurio Dawson:Yeah.
Carmen Lezeth:It's not really what I want. You know what I mean. Like it's not all I do. I don't just hire and fire people. The other parts of my job I actually don't mind, because I get to meet a lot of people and I get to be on set a lot with a couple of my clients, and that's a different ballgame, right, that's playing, interference with media or PR people or agents. But that's more fun for me, because at least it's really industry based, you know.
Maurio Dawson:But see, that's the fun part of your job. You, what I'm saying, that's that's well I mean to me.
Carmen Lezeth:To me, energy is yeah because it's the industry I love, but I still don't like being that you know performing or or doing this podcast regularly.
Rick Costa:You know what I mean so you're trying to explain your job to a six-year-old kind of be like I just help them run everything better, that's it.
Carmen Lezeth:I missed what you just asked because I was reading Alma say the joyous part I think she was clarifying from Mario.
Rick Costa:I'll say if you try to explain your job to a six-year-old, you could just say I try to help the company run everything better.
Carmen Lezeth:I never admit to children or anyone.
Rick Costa:I'm just saying, if you had to.
Carmen Lezeth:Yeah, I would say I manage things. I don't know how did you get to that's not on the list.
Rick Costa:That's not on the list. People, you have to stop on the list. What are you talking about?
Carmen Lezeth:Because I'm getting sad, because I know I'm branded as that, I know that's what I do, but it's not who I am and it's not what I want to do to make a living.
Maurio Dawson:But you just said it. It's not who you are, it's your job.
Carmen Lezeth:And we're talking about it after I just did it.
Maurio Dawson:Okay, let's move on.
Rick Costa:So let's talk about joyful stuff.
Maurio Dawson:Back to the list.
Carmen Lezeth:Well, I think we. I don't know where I am on the list, not because you all messed it up.
Rick Costa:Oh God Can you imagine if somebody was about to get fired? The best performance in a podcast goes to Exactly here's your award. Can you imagine if somebody knows they're about to get fired by Carmen and be like aren't you all about the joy lady?
Cynthia Lopez:Aren't you all about the joy lady?
Carmen Lezeth:You know what Everybody now does know that I do this, but they knew before it was branded as that that I am creative, like I don't lie to any of my clients or anybody I work for. Alma just said it's what you do, not who you are, I know, but I can say that all I want in theory, but at the end of the day I spend at least eight hours every day, sometimes a weekend, and I can say it's not who I am, but it's mostly what I think about. You know what I mean and it's really hard. Like all the sayings we say, I always wonder, like why do people say them? Cause they're not really true, they're just all habitual things we keep saying. But I don't, yeah.
Maurio Dawson:Sometimes we say stuff as affirmations to make ourselves feel better, and it's self-encouragement. For me. It might not always be true, but I'm like, okay, I'm about to go down this black hole. You're not this, mario, you're not that, you're this. And then I start giving myself affirmations to pull myself out of it, to get on with the rest of my day, cause otherwise we can. We can. What was they say? Spiral the drain, and we don't want to do that. So let's come out of this spiral and change the subject to something else.
Carmen Lezeth:Send me the list for next Thursday. I'll bring my own cardboard box the list for next Thursday.
Cynthia Lopez:I'll bring my own cardboard box.
Carmen Lezeth:That's it. The list is usually done Thursday morning. Maybe Sometimes we just wing it. You need to show yourself some grace.
Maurio Dawson:There's that word again.
Rick Costa:It's the word of the day I think I do, but I'm also.
Carmen Lezeth:You know, we started talking about it, I think. How do you say this?
Rick Costa:Say it.
Carmen Lezeth:Like as a dancer. I'll give you an example. I know to my heart and my soul that I was a dancer, a performer, and I will always be that in my heart. But the fact that I'm actually not doing it or getting paid for it, or just having the time to do community theater or something, you know what I mean, right Is the depressing part, and I don't know if the word depressing is right, but I'm saying there's a, there's a conflict and there's only like, okay, I show myself grace.
Maurio Dawson:Yeah, but then. But then I understand what you're saying, because growing up as a young person, that's always my goal was to always be working behind the camera. I didn't ever want to be an on-screen talent, I always wanted to be a director, I always wanted to be a producer. That was my dream coming up. And because you know of everything else all my other health challenges, everything else that got in the way. You know it. It was. It's a dream deferred, but I still call it a dream. So you know, I never. But then I have to ask myself okay, what am I doing to make sure that I'm working on my dream?
Carmen Lezeth:and I haven't done anything lately my clients know that march of 2025, I'm no longer working for them. That's what I did this year and wow, yeah, so that is what I'm doing for it. But I think um and alma just said you mourn it. I know that's what I'm doing right now and you guys are telling me to show myself some grace. I'm like I am mourning it. Um, yeah, so so that that is what the difference is. That is why, even though I'm tired and really just want to sleep, when I come home or just rest and watch TV or something I will, I will do what I need to do.
Carmen Lezeth:And then I'm up at 12 in the morning or one in the morning editing this show or doing what I need to do, or, you know, getting a trademark or fixing the website. Or Rick knows that I, you know, just started a store and we're testing out some of the stuff, so I asked him to order some. You know what I mean? Like I am in the little bit of time, so I get, I, I committed to myself this year. I can't believe I'm admitting this, but I mean, I don't mind, maybe it inspires somebody else. I was sick and tired of mourning this situation and finding every excuse and reason why I am validating, why I am in this situation and then say, okay, so why am I still in it when I know I don't? What can I do? So I gave myself a timeline and not just in my head. I told each one of my clients when I signed my new contracts and they're all for the same date, even though the contracts are different. Right, yeah, I said March, said march 2025.
Carmen Lezeth:I'm out, you know one time I was like but that's only nine months. I'm like exactly, exactly like I didn't make any changes or whatever for anyone and, um, my hope I'll be honest is to make money. I, I have enough money for like four or five months to get by. If I don't want to, because then I'll have nothing and I'll be calling you all and be like, hey friend.
Cynthia Lopez:Can you bail me out?
Maurio Dawson:I need bail money.
Carmen Lezeth:I need bail money, but I'm just saying by then at least getting income. Like I've started writing the book for All About the Joy and I have someone helping me with just kind of editing and I'm not expecting to make a lot of money, but I just want to do something, and so I started that.
Carmen Lezeth:I have the whole template out for the chapters. I also have invested in this so that hopefully there'll be something. Maybe somebody will help sponsor us, maybe somebody will help, maybe some money will come in from a few things of stores that I'm trying to create. No, I'm just trying to pull from everywhere you know what I mean to see if there's ways to do this. But I really think if I had eight hours a day to just focus on me and what I want to do, if it's just for two months, I think I can get some. There's too many people making money as content creators, as you know, whatever it is right Podcast or YouTube, whatever. You know what I'm saying. Like, there's so many ways to make money. Um, even writing, you can. You can submit on Fiverr or on all of those other places that are like temporary contract work, like you know. I'm just saying if everyone else can be making a minimum of five grand a month or whatever, or people are making 50, 60 000 a month on crap.
Maurio Dawson:you know what I mean help me understand how these insta, these instagram kids, are making millions of dollars like make it make sense, like I don't know I don't even need that much.
Carmen Lezeth:I I mean I can live up to five thousand dollars a month. That's why I won't buy a new car. That's why you don't see me dressing up fancy. That's why I'm really trying to prioritize the absolute minimum. I need to stay in the place I'm at. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, alma, thank you. She said good for you and it seems that that's around the corner. Wow, I know, I know. Either that or I win the lottery between now and then.
Maurio Dawson:I'm going to say investing yourself and bet on yourself.
Carmen Lezeth:Yeah.
Maurio Dawson:Because if you don't believe in yourself, who else is going to believe in you? Well, come on now. Come on church. Let the church say amen.
Cynthia Lopez:Amen, amen, amen.
Carmen Lezeth:What keeps you guys from not fulfilling whatever? Well, can't say that about Cynthia, because she's hustling to get to the dead world, the dead body world that she wants to work in.
Maurio Dawson:She wants to see dead people. If you've got to see them.
Carmen Lezeth:What do you all think of? What prevents people from actually doing what they want to ultimately be doing? What do you think it is?
Maurio Dawson:Fear, fear of failure, fear of rejection. For me Interesting Because I did it before and I was told no, I was told I wasn't good. I was told all the negative, all these people poured negativity into me, so it weighed me down and so I always yes, the dead world and so it's. You know I'm not trying to go to the dead world, I'm trying to stay here and try to be lifted up I'm just reading what alma just said.
Maurio Dawson:I'm sorry no, no, no, I know so. For me it was all the negativity of people pouring into me negative stuff. So now all this time is it's held me down, and mentally and physically. And so now I'm trying to. You know, I'm taking a turn and you know, trying to push myself out and I'm starting to take steps and I'm making phone calls. Actually, in the last month I've been making phone calls to try to make changes and I'm just waiting to see what, where it goes. I'm not speaking on it until something happens. Oh, what one thing I forgot to tell you guys. One thing that brought me joy this week is I was on let's make a deal.
Carmen Lezeth:Boom, there you go, I know, but okay, yeah, he was on it last fr. A Deal Boom. There you go, I know, but okay, yeah, it was on it last Friday. Okay, here's the thing, though, mario. I was going to tell everyone, but I couldn't find it because I think it aired wherever it aired. But unless you have something, yeah it's on Paramount+.
Maurio Dawson:Yeah, it's on Paramount+. If you missed it the day of, the only place you can watch it is on Paramount Plus. I taped my segment and I don't even look the same. My wife was like it's not even the same person.
Carmen Lezeth:Can you send it to me on my drive so I can.
Maurio Dawson:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll send it to you.
Carmen Lezeth:I don't think I can post it though, because it's probably trademarked right. It's a show you can't.
Maurio Dawson:Well, you can't, well, I I posted it on on my instagram because it's me.
Carmen Lezeth:The whole show, no not the whole show, just my segment. How did I miss it? I didn't see it on instagram. Did you guys see it on instagram?
Maurio Dawson:I put it on my story.
Carmen Lezeth:I didn't put, I didn't post it, I just put it, I would have marked something, I would have. Okay, yeah, I'll put it because.
Maurio Dawson:I didn't post it post it, but I put it on my Instagram stories and my Facebook stories, so if you saw it that day, it was on my stories.
Carmen Lezeth:But yeah, if you yeah all right, well, let's talk later, because if you could send it to me on my drive or whatever, I can then send it to everyone else.
Maurio Dawson:I can, but just a quick story from that whole day. So when I got on the show, um, I met, of course. I talked to wayne brady. I told him about my wife's school.
Carmen Lezeth:I don't know if you guys know this story um, I told him to me in the I think it's on the podcast yeah, but I don't think well I don't know, it might have been I don't, no, that's a lie you told me afterwards in the green room.
Maurio Dawson:Yeah, I didn't tell you on the show. Yeah. So when I talked to Wayne I told him about my wife and her school. They were actually going to see the Wiz. So at that moment I told him it was the first time a lot of our black and brown kids were actually going to see a like a broadway show or in that forum, and he was so inspired by that he wanted to meet all the kids after the show. So, but the day of the show he was sick. He ended up having a some type of virus, lung lung infection that whole week so he wasn't in the show that week. But what he did was he sent he Cox and Alan Mingo Jr to come and talk to the kids after the show. That is so awesome, it's so and it was so nice and so kind and they talked to the kids. The kids were first like who are they? And then I said it's Glenda and the Wiz and they were like oh, and then the whole their faces just lit up. It was a great experience.
Carmen Lezeth:And I'm certain it was great. It's nice that you went to Wayne Brady, but that was the better get. Yeah, actually, no shade.
Maurio Dawson:You know, no shade to Wayne Brady, but yeah, Deborah Cox was a great get. So and she's, yeah, actually Alan Mingo Jr. He'sa big Broadway vet. I didn't know his pedigree until I really looked him up. Then I watched him on. Because I don't know, because I watched Doom Patrol on HBO and he was on Doom Patrol. I didn't realize it was him. I know, you don't, I saw it. Who was he? Yeah, he was. You don't, I saw it, who was he? Yeah he was the drag queen in oh okay.
Maurio Dawson:Yeah, and then he was also. He was in Kinky Boots, also on Broadway. In the original no, he replaced what's the gentleman's name? Billy Porter. You know, billy Porter was on it. Oh, billy Porter, yeah.
Carmen Lezeth:Oh my God, you're kidding me.
Maurio Dawson:Yeah, so Billy Porter was originally in Kinky Boots and Alan Mingle Jr took Billy Porter's place and played it for a long time right after him, so he's got a pedigree.
Carmen Lezeth:He's underrated. Billy Porter is amazing.
Cynthia Lopez:He's amazing.
Carmen Lezeth:Amazing, he's so underrated. I love everything about him, everything.
Maurio Dawson:He's funny. To me he's very funny and he's very talented. And, like I, didn't like. The first time I heard Billy Porter was when Alma and I were watching First Last Club.
Carmen Lezeth:We're going to jump off too, because we're at the 130 mark, which you know, yeah, we're going to get up.
Maurio Dawson:Yeah, a lot of editing. Yeah, he was in, he sang in the First Wives Club and he sang the song Love Is On the Way and that was the first time I had ever heard Billy Porter. I remember that moment because I was like that's an amazing song and it stuck with me.
Carmen Lezeth:I don't think I ever saw that. Is that with the three?
Maurio Dawson:With Bette Midler, diane Keaton and Goldie Hawn. It's hysterical. It is a funny, funny movie I'm not going to remember it. Yeah. I'm just kidding, I just don't remember it. And then they did a black version on BET with Jill Scott For real. They did it with Jill Scott, michelle Buteau and Ryan Michelle Bethea, which is Sterling K Brown's wife. It was funny. It wasn't the movie. They took the concept of the three divorcees getting back at their husbands. Same concept I'm thinking of that movie.
Carmen Lezeth:Now you know what I'm confusing it with Whatever movie. What's the country singer Dolly Parton. It was right, remember.
Maurio Dawson:Oh, you're thinking like 9 to 5.
Carmen Lezeth:Oh my God, oh yeah, that's what I'm thinking of.
Maurio Dawson:Okay, sorry You're thinking 9 to 5. Yeah, because there was three women for that. That was Lily Tomlin, dolly Parton and James Bond.
Carmen Lezeth:That's a group of people, huh, that's what I'm confusing it with. Yeah, yeah. We are at the 1.30 mark, which I didn't even see the time before I was even paying attention to it. It's hard to cut us off when we're having fun.
Maurio Dawson:I'll stop talking. Shut up, you do.
Carmen Lezeth:I'm in talks all the time. I think it's you and me together. That's bad.
Maurio Dawson:I'll shut up.
Carmen Lezeth:Or I'm being good. Notice how Cynthia and Rick are not like oh my god, it's not you guys at all no.
Maurio Dawson:No, If Notice how Cynthia and Rick are not like oh my God, it's not you guys at all.
Carmen Lezeth:No, no, it's not you, it's me. So we're going to say goodbye right now. Please like share, subscribe. Smash that button Uh-huh, and well, I want to say thank you Again. I'm going to give a shout out to LinkedIn because we keep getting followers on there and I just think it's freaking awesome. I just I'm stunned. It's a trickling, but it's a constant trickle, so it's really great, so thank you for that and thank you everybody for listening to our private lounge.
Maurio Dawson:Boom, there you go thank you, rick.
Carmen Lezeth:as always, I appreciate you, and mar, I love that you're here. Thank you, bye everyone. Remember it's all about the joy. Thanks for stopping by. All About the Joy. Be better and stay beautiful folks. Have a sweet day.