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What is Art, Culture, and Spirituality? Insights from Kendrick Lamar’s Super Bowl Show
Can a Super Bowl halftime show spark a profound conversation about art, culture, and spirituality? Join us as we unpack the layers of Kendrick Lamar's performance, where Maurio shares a touching story about how he helped his mother appreciate the deeper meanings behind the spectacle. From Rick's initial ambivalence, to Alma's admiration for Kendrick's artistic brilliance, we reflect on how the show challenges traditional perspectives and invites us to rethink the definition of art. Through this exploration, we highlight the importance of embracing diverse expressions in mainstream entertainment.
We venture into the dynamic interplay between art and politics, exploring how filmmakers from different eras convey powerful narratives. Our discussion moves from the storytelling styles of legends like Scorsese and Coppola to the impactful messages found in modern superhero films like "Black Panther." We examine the cultural legacy of artists like Prince and the shifting perceptions of their work over time. Through these conversations, we celebrate the transformative power of art in provoking thought and evoking emotion, regardless of one's cultural background.
The episode rounds off with a heartfelt exploration of spirituality, weaving together personal stories of faith, music, and artistic influence from childhood. We ponder the universal appeal of spiritual music and the artistry of preachers whose words inspire introspection. Sharing personal anecdotes, we emphasize the inclusivity of love and kindness as central tenets of faith, inviting listeners to appreciate diverse expressions of spirituality. Whether through prayer, gospel music, or childhood encounters with art, we recognize the profound impact these experiences have on our lives and the communities they foster.
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Hi everyone, welcome to All About the Joy. Welcome Alma, mario I'm sorry I'm giggling and Rick, how are you guys doing tonight?
Maurio Dawson:Good, good, good to see you.
Carmen Lezeth:So I sent you guys the thing I wanted to talk about. I really want to talk about art and get your ideas on art, but we're doing the jump off because of the Kendrick Lamar halftime show at the Super Bowl. I know there's been a lot of analysis over it, so I don't know if we need to dive deep back into all that. But there's a lot of symbolism, a lot of haters out there, a lot of people who didn't get it. I wanted to get your initial feelings on it first, and maybe I'd start with Mario, then we'll go to Rick and then to Alma.
Maurio Dawson:Well, they're not like us. So that's my first comment.
Carmen Lezeth:And thank you for joining the show. We appreciate you. Hope to see you next week.
Maurio Dawson:Have a good week.
Rick Costa:Go ahead.
Maurio Dawson:No to me. I got it, you know I enjoyed it. I know the songs, so it was easy for me. It was very cool. It actually opened up a conversation for my mother who is, you know, an older woman who does not like rap. So her and her friends they checked out. She's like I don't want to hear that. She's like all I hear was la, la la la la.
Maurio Dawson:She's like I didn't understand anything. I said, okay, mom, let me break it down to you. So we had a very in-depth conversation about some of the stuff that was happening and she said you know what? Know, mario, thank you for explaining it to me. She said because it gave her the opportunity to go back and talk to her friends who were just so, just opposed to the rap of it all and not into the show. But then once I explained it, she loved it, she went back and watched it, she appreciated it for what it was and she took the time to really listen and she got it and it opened up her eyes to a lot of subtext that was in the show and I thought it was an amazing show, without saying too much.
Carmen Lezeth:Rick, your thoughts.
Rick Costa:Yeah, I turned on Tubi when I figured it was going to be on and it was funny because all of a sudden I got a text from Melanie. It's on now. I figured it was going to be on and it was funny because all of a sudden I got a text from Melanie. It's on now. I didn't ask her to we love Melanie.
Rick Costa:Shout out to Melanie yeah, I watched it and was I 100% focused. I didn't go bye because you know I was like, like I wasn't, but I definitely didn't think it was boring at all. It was entertaining. You know it was entertaining. All the different dancing and everything. I don't really know the songs that much, little bits and pieces here, that kind of sounds familiar Far, far, far far. I heard that before, that's from Luther.
Rick Costa:Yeah, it was entertaining, but because I wasn't fully paying attention to it, I didn't realize we were supposed to get edumacated too, like oh, yeah, you know. Yeah, um, samuel jackson. I was like, okay, that's what made me think okay, this is not just a performance, because, wait, he's saying something. So that's what made me think, okay, you're not just yay, nice job, no, they're saying something. So yeah, it was, it was, but it was entertaining too, it was fun, it wasn't boring. I've seen some that were like ooh, but this one was entertaining, it was good.
Carmen Lezeth:Okay, go ahead, girl. I know it's bubbling inside Go ahead.
Alma Dawson:I enjoyed every aspect of it. I enjoyed the art of it, the music, the symbolism, going and rewatching and catching the stuff that I didn't catch the first time. You know the first run around just seeing all of the sensationalist part of it, but then going back and actually catching all of the little nuances and it was awesome. It was really a very he's a genius, honestly he really is just in the ways that he layered it. If you want to just surface, you could just have the surface, but if you want to go deeper, there's a lot of layers to it. So it was awesome.
Maurio Dawson:That's why he's a Pulitzer Prize winner.
Carmen Lezeth:Oh yeah. Yeah, he won a Pulitzer. Yeah, he won a.
Maurio Dawson:Pulitzer yeah for sure.
Carmen Lezeth:I think that's where I got upset with so many people. I lashed out a little bit. I think this is the first time I have seen on a public stage white people not being centered, and what I mean by that, because I know that's a really weird concept to understand. It's like they were not the focus at all and I think that's what disturbed people. I can't explain enough how many times in my life, in all of our lives, I'm sure we have walked into a room I can talk about, when I was dancing, performing. But let me go to even college, walking into a biology class of 300 people my freshman year, and there is not one other person of color, you know. And always being that person that walks into a place where you are the odd person out, and it was interesting how I'm just speaking for me. I mean I was kidding with a friend of mine the other day. I'm like I'm speaking for all black people, I'm just speaking for me.
Carmen Lezeth:Oh Lord, to the circumstance I was in and have to find my way in it, appreciate it, or keep my mouth shut or try to understand it or research it. You do all these things as a person of color, trying to understand the circumstance you're in, but what happened here is people just started lashing out in a really negative, nasty way that it's not art, that it should never be on football halftime, all these horrible things, and it just incensed me and I started thinking about how do we determine what art is? I guess that's my big question for all of you. How do you determine, or do you ever determine, what art is? And I guess that's my big question for all of you how do you determine, or do you ever determine what art is and is not is maybe the first question.
Maurio Dawson:I think art is thought provoking. Anything that's going to create a thought or make you go deeper into yourself about what you're feeling. If it evokes an emotion or a visceral response, it's art. Or if you have questions, if you say what does that mean? It's art because it provokes conversation and it gives you more insight into, because sometimes the artist is very upfront about what they're saying, but then other artists let you conceptualize it for what you want it to be. Do you really mean that this?
Carmen Lezeth:was art, do we? I don't know, rick, I'm not sure.
Maurio Dawson:I do.
Carmen Lezeth:I'm wondering Rick.
Alma Dawson:Did you?
Carmen Lezeth:mean that this was a piece of art.
Maurio Dawson:Absolutely, absolutely, from the symbolism to the American flag with all Black people, based on the fact that he's saying that a lot of America was built on the slaves, on the backs of Black people, on the backs of slaves. Now, a lot of people don't like that statement and they don't like that comment.
Carmen Lezeth:Okay, but that's not a statement or a comment. That's a fact, it is a fact you may not like the truth.
Maurio Dawson:Yeah, it's the truth. But the thing is, everyone wants to be mad. Stay mad, that's okay.
Carmen Lezeth:Can I just get a? I just want to. And, rick, I'm sorry to put you on the spot, but I don't know and I don't want to just assume. Do you feel this was art?
Rick Costa:Yeah, to me music is art, dancing is art.
Carmen Lezeth:Even if it doesn't speak to you specifically.
Rick Costa:Doesn't matter. To me, art is if you can look at whatever it is and have multiple interpretations, that's probably art.
Carmen Lezeth:Okay, I just didn't want to assume that he felt the same way. Okay, I'm sorry.
Rick Costa:That's a lot of work. That's a lot of work. A lot of people, a lot of organization, choreography, yeah, to put that together, and even the camera work everything. So that's all.
Carmen Lezeth:I think, even like what Alma was saying was just. I don't want to put words in Alma's mouth or whatever, but I feel like there's this part of him you can watch just the surface part and people were saying like I don't understand. I don't understand. You know what? Google is free, and if you don't understand rap, it's because you're not used to the rhythm of that sound. You know, it's interesting how these same people can understand Eminem, or they can understand Macklemore, but for some reason they can't understand Kendrick Lamar. You know what I'm saying? I am throwing the race card in card in there. It's like why are you able to defend and fight about eminem but you can't understand kendrick lamar I? You need to think about that. You know what I mean, and it's for me, art is that there there are pieces of art that I think suck horribly, but you know what? I keep that inside.
Alma Dawson:I just keep my heart shut. But you know, it's like there's a sweatshirt that mario has and it says I'm not for everyone. Every piece of art is not for everyone in it, but even if it evokes anger or it evokes sadness, whatever it evokes, it still made you feel something, whether you like the way that it made you feel or not, whether you like whatever the artist portraying or what it's saying. That's the point. It's not for every artist, every genre is not for everyone, but art still exists. It's just like y'all were saying it's thought provoking, it's meant to evoke feelings, whether it's something visual, something auditory or something that you're reading, some five words on the page can evoke feelings.
Carmen Lezeth:That's right I had a little back and forth with Chris. We all love Chris and I was mad because he started writing on Facebook Prince is the best Super Bowl Prince and I was like you're missing the point.
Carmen Lezeth:This is not a comparison between Prince and Mr Lamar. And look, I just want to be very clear about something I am now a huge Kendrick Lamar fan. Welcome to the family. No, no, but this is what I'm saying. I liked him. I listened to family. No, no, but this is what I'm saying. I liked him, I listened to him, I knew a few songs.
Carmen Lezeth:I did not know the whole Drake part until recently like during the Kamala Harris rallies is when I started understanding more about the Drake thing. Because there was that young white boy I hate to say it that way, but there was that young man who was white, who worked for the Kamala Harris campaign and they featured him. Do you remember that? Because he was singing every word of Not Like Us. I was like, who is this man? And he did all these interviews and I was like, what is this Drake stuff? And that's when I started getting more into. Oh, I didn't know, I had no idea.
Carmen Lezeth:So I'm not trying to come across like you have to be some mega fan of Kendrick Lamar to understand. You need to be like if anything, I want white people and I'm going to say it this way I know I'm going to get a lot of backlash for this. White people need to start being a little bit more open-minded. That everything, like Alma said, is not for them. You know what I mean. And, by the way, the halftime show I saw this comment everywhere. Oh my God, I don't know if you guys saw this comments everywhere. The halftime show is for everyone. It should be something we all understand, Really, Because 54% of the NFL is black. So I'm confused where you think this is for you.
Carmen Lezeth:Well, that's a different conversation that's a whole different conversation, but a whole different conversation.
Maurio Dawson:But yeah, I think, since rock nation has taken over, I think it versus pepsi or the other major concerts is rock nation is the company owned by jay-z, so he's now he's the actual official promoter for the NFL. He's been the promoter.
Carmen Lezeth:Oh, I had no idea.
Maurio Dawson:Yeah, he's been the official promoter. He and Jesse Collins have picked the halftime shows for the last what five years now? So, although the last five halftime shows have been through Roc Nation, which is not only for his production, it's a production company, it's a record company, it's a fashion label. Right, that's a record company, it's a fashion label.
Carmen Lezeth:Right, that's so interesting.
Rick Costa:One thing though oh go ahead, rick People saying can there be subtitles? I was like why do you need subtitles? Because I don't understand a word they're saying I'm like I understand everything he's saying. What's the problem? It's called closed caption.
Carmen Lezeth:You could do closed caption, you could go again. I said this on tiktok. I remember going to my first ballet with rudolf nuriev, and it was don quixote. I did not understand a mother effing thing, not one thing, but I was forced to go. I'm glad I went because what it did, even though I left, and it didn't make me like, oh my God, I love ballet and Rudolph Derriff that's not what happened, but what did happen was it made me realize there's a bigger world out there than only the stuff I know. Yes, and it made me absorb the idea of art and going to museums and going to the orchestra.
Alma Dawson:I'm having a tough time today speaking of art and going to museums and going to the orchestra orchestra. I'm having a tough time today speaking, but I want to say like, even though we're concentrating just on the halftime, the pre-show and all of that was really very well-rounded. Harry Connick Jr and Lady Gaga and just all of the different pre-shows that were on as well, were really well-rounded in my opinion. But when you say well-rounded, are we talking about? Like I said, Harry Connick Jr was one of the artists that was up there.
Maurio Dawson:He's from there, yeah, but he's from there.
Alma Dawson:But what I'm saying is it wasn't just only Black artists from Northern being featured.
Carmen Lezeth:Here's what I'm going to push back, though. Why would it matter, right?
Maurio Dawson:It shouldn't matter. They gave them a bone too.
Carmen Lezeth:Every artist is white in every art. You know what I mean. I am so tired, as a woman of color, making it comfortable for white people to feel comfortable, for you know what I'm saying. Like, I know what you're saying. It was well-rounded, but it's never been well-rounded all the time for the rest of our lives. Oh, no, never, of course, not Never, and I don't want to appease it, I do want to switch it a little bit, but it's the same thing, because I was talking about Marvel movies, cause it's again same thing, because I was talking about Marvel movies, because it's again. It's this idea of what is art, and I just want to mention a couple things. So, back in 2019, and it was when the movie Captain Marvel came out Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola who, if people are listening, don't know who they are, I would be shocked but huge directors. Martin Scorsese is known for Goodfellas and the Irishman and what else I don't even know.
Maurio Dawson:A lot of Leo DiCaprio movies.
Carmen Lezeth:And Francis Ford Coppola, of course, the Godfather Acopolis Coppola.
Maurio Dawson:No.
Carmen Lezeth:Apocalypse Now, francis Ford Coppola? Apocalypse Now, is that how you say it? Yeah, yeah, I don't know I'm having issues. Okay, I swear to God there's water in here.
Carmen Lezeth:So, back in 2019, martin Scorsese said about Marvel movies and this pissed me off, cause, again, it's what is the definition of art? He said I don't see them. I tried, you know, but that's not cinema. Honestly, the closest I can think of them as well, made as they are, with actors doing the best they can under the circumstances is theme. It isn't the cinema of human beings trying to convey emotional, psychological experiences to another human being. Fuck you, martin Scorsese.
Carmen Lezeth:Let me quote Francis Ford Coppola. I lost so much respect for these two men. Now I'm going to quote Francis Ford Coppola. So Francis Ford Coppola said well, you know, because of the lack of risk in the production. Martin Scorsese says that the Marvel picture is not cinema. He's right, because we expect to learn something from cinema. We expect to gain some enlightenment, some knowledge, some inspirations. Arguably, I don't know that anyone gets anything out of seeing the same movie over and over again, which is Marvel movies, a thing that has no risk to it. I've said before, making a film without risk is like making a baby without sex. That was Francis Ford Coppola film. Director of the Godfather and Apocalypse.
Alma Dawson:Now, like in other movies, but just throwing that out there to you guys shows their age, um, and I think that they're just maybe I don't want to say they're not visionaries, because that's not true, they are, they were in their time, but exactly, but I think that they're not able to see the value in the marble movies, not because there isn't any, but just because they're not able to. And I'm going to attribute it to their generation, to their age, where their generation is, like every film, everything had to have a message. Because of the times, because of the times that they were coming up in, that they were adulting.
Carmen Lezeth:I think Marvel movies all have a message.
Alma Dawson:I agree with you.
Carmen Lezeth:They all have a message. I can see where you're going with this to try to give them a pass. But here's the thing that we may not remember, because you know I did research on this. That's why I'm so angry with them. When they came out with their movies both of them they got so much flack for the mafia-esque, the violence, the whatever. So again you would think they would be more sensitive, more understanding of what art is, even if they don't understand it or like it.
Maurio Dawson:I think they're telling their stories from their point of view. You have to remember Scorsese he's a New Yorker, like he's the mob, the mafia. That's all a part of his time when he was, very prevalent. That was his focus. That's what he enjoyed studying. That's what he enjoyed writing. That's all a part of his time when he would. That was very prevalent. That was his focus. That's what he enjoyed studying. That's what he enjoyed writing. That's all great, but you have a new era of artists, of young directors and storytellers who want to sell different stories. I think comic books are still stories, marvel are there's still. It's still storytelling. Oh, I agree it's still storytelling.
Maurio Dawson:Oh.
Alma Dawson:I agree.
Maurio Dawson:So the thing is, I respectfully have several seats and do you over there and take your time and produce what it is that you love and you will have. Your audience will come to you, but everyone has a space out here for what they love and you can't tell me that even the storytelling of the battles, even with Black Panther, and the subtext that was going on through all of that film, that was artistry, not just visually, but historically. It was thought-provoking. You asked questions and it took you back to history. It was all great. So, yeah, everything has a story. Marvel definitely has a place in art, not just visually storytelling. I was all great. So, yeah, everything has a story. Marvel definitely has a place in art, not just visually storytelling. I got an issue with Francis Ford Coppola.
Rick Costa:Right, that was the second one. He says you didn't learn nothing.
Rick Costa:I'm like listen. When I watched Deadpool and Wolverine, I didn't learn nothing either, but I laughed my butt off the whole break Entertained. I enjoyed it. I would watch it again. I don't have to learn something. That's your opinion. Yeah, you can't tell me that I shouldn't like something because you don't like it. That's ridiculous. It's the whole thing I said a long time ago when somebody said god don't like this kind of music. No, you don't like that kind of music. You don't like this kind of music. No, you don't like that kind of music.
Maurio Dawson:You don't speak for God, right, right, that's it.
Carmen Lezeth:I think it's interesting because I think Marvel movies I've said this a million times I have not felt the feeling I felt when I watched Endgame. I hadn't felt that in a theater, when you're with people, that camaraderie, that part know, like that part where robert downey jr's character um, just, I am iron man, like in it and you know because of the movies from before the first movie, when he ends it, you know because you have followed the trajectory of it yeah, and it breaks your heart because he's gonna to die and he dies.
Maurio Dawson:Spoiler alert for those who haven't watched it.
Carmen Lezeth:Oh yeah, right.
Rick Costa:I literally just saw somebody today that they did like a reaction video and this girl had never watched it and she was like he was telling the story, like she cried several times, but then, right before Iron man dies, she started yelling wait, he ain't going to die, is he?
Carmen Lezeth:He dies, he dies. Sorry, spoiler alert. Look at this point. If you haven't seen it, I can't help you. It's an old movie now. But that's my point is like, again, it's this weird. I don't know if it's elitism, because I don't know if it's that, but I don't know how you don't learn from your own experience. And that's what angers me about these two men. They had such a hard time when they started their careers, doing the movies that they loved, that were so violent, so painful. You know what I mean that people were like oh my god, no, like yeah, and people were dismissing it or whatever. And then, you know, it's kind of that thing too, like I, I got, I didn't get mad at Chris. I love Chris, he wants to be on the show again and you know Chris Gales, I'm talking about.
Carmen Lezeth:I think he's an amazing person and I love him and everything, but it's the same thing. Everybody elevates Prince now because he's dead, but we forget that people didn't like Prince. People talked about Prince. They were like he's gay, he's androgynous, he's too female, he's so weird. People did not. I don't care how much you thought he was a genius. It's weird how we revise our thought process when someone passes away.
Maurio Dawson:Well, some of us.
Carmen Lezeth:You know what? I apologize. You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right Because I was in love with that man. I don't know what it was.
Maurio Dawson:I've been rocking with him since 1978, 1979.
Carmen Lezeth:He was the only man that was like what 5'4"? I think he was 5'4".
Maurio Dawson:Yeah.
Carmen Lezeth:And he attracted both men and women and we don't understand why we don't. I don't understand why I was so attracted to that beautiful man.
Rick Costa:I remember my pastor saying cause again, he's a pastor, so he's done a lot of funerals he goes. It never ceases to amaze me how, all of a sudden no matter how down dirty dog you are everybody when they die is a good person.
Maurio Dawson:Yeah.
Carmen Lezeth:Well, let me just say this, though, just to back that up though Prince was a genius from day one for his fan base that knew that even some of us who are clouded by our love, but his music I think the thing I remember about Prince's music so much was that I remember dancing in the clubs and I was underage. But I was in the clubs dancing on stages, and that music was funky, grinding, awesome, great. And I remember I was like, oh, I'm doing something so bad, not compared to the other people who are out there doing drugs. I was just dancing, but that's what I remember of my Prince life back in the day.
Maurio Dawson:I remember dancing to erotic city when I didn't know what I was dancing to. Come on now.
Carmen Lezeth:Me neither. My mother was like do you know what he's singing? And my whole creamy thighs and everything my creamy thighs.
Maurio Dawson:No, I was growing, I was singing a lot of the cream. I knew what I was singing then. Wow. Yeah, I didn't know what I was saying no, I knew what I was saying when I was saying green this little Latina girl did not know what she was singing, she just knew it sounded good.
Alma Dawson:That's it.
Rick Costa:It's just like now, with the churches having the nerve to sing Like a Prayer from Madonna. I'm like, do you?
Maurio Dawson:even know what you're singing. Come on now, really.
Carmen Lezeth:I don't know how they're justifying that, but they've ran with it. Let's use the Googler please Googler I like that.
Maurio Dawson:She's quoting my mother, because that's what my mother said.
Carmen Lezeth:The Googler I'm going to use that I love that oh my.
Maurio Dawson:God.
Rick Costa:I'm going to use the Googler. There's a funny video with an Italian lady. They're trying to teach her to say hey, Google, and she's like okay, try it, try it, Google, google.
Carmen Lezeth:The thing is, you have to say the hey first, right.
Rick Costa:Right.
Carmen Lezeth:Mm-hmm.
Carmen Lezeth:So funny Can you think of an example where art well and this might be too much, I don't know. I don't know. This is a goofy question, but I was just wondering if you can think of a time when art turns into a political message or a purpose. Of course, I think the Kendrick Lamar thing is a great example of how social message, but I was wondering I couldn't think of other pieces of art that do that, but there must be so many of them. I mean, martin Luther King's speech became that right, that beautiful. I have a dream speech, but I couldn't remember other people.
Maurio Dawson:You know, one that comes to the front.
Carmen Lezeth:Rhythm Nation Janet Jack. Go ahead, I'm sorry.
Maurio Dawson:Just on a political side. I'm thinking about Obama's campaign, when they created the posters, the tricolor posters that said hope. Those are beautiful pieces of art, right? Yes and so, but it was also a political statement. It was. He was that, those three colors, that red, white and blue. I still see it vividly in my head. I'm looking at the visual posters. You saw him everywhere. He had hope. That was the main one, right?
Maurio Dawson:that was the main one that's one that definitely comes to my brain right away. What's the other man, the Latino man? He has a star, he's everywhere.
Alma Dawson:Che Guevara that's great, of course.
Carmen Lezeth:Oh, that's great, of course, you're right. What?
Maurio Dawson:was I thinking.
Carmen Lezeth:You know what I was going down the whole rabbit hole of trying to think of musicians, right.
Alma Dawson:I have a music one, nina Simone, strange Fruit.
Carmen Lezeth:Oh.
Alma Dawson:Yeah, and if you don't know about Strange Fruit.
Maurio Dawson:Use the Googler it's heavy and then.
Alma Dawson:Maya Angelou a lot of her poetry Phila Rai. Phenomenal Woman, phila Rai is a good one, rick do you have any to share.
Carmen Lezeth:I know from the religious point of view it would probably be more religious-y as opposed to politically the only thing I can think of is not be more religious-y as opposed to politically.
Rick Costa:The only thing I can think of is not a nice one.
Carmen Lezeth:I don't want to say it. What are you going to?
Rick Costa:say the redhead woman comedian. That didn't she do like a Kathy, oh Kathy.
Carmen Lezeth:Griffin right. She cut off the head of something and said it was somebody. Well, that's where art goes wrong, I mean okay. So that's interesting because for some people they thought that was justified and made sense. That's a great point, a lot of us again just speaking for myself but I thought that was a little crass for me and inappropriate and so, even though I respect her viewpoint and I thought it was wrong for her to lose she lost her CNN, she lost a lot of work, everything.
Carmen Lezeth:Yeah, she lost a lot of stuff, because she was doing like the CNN New Year's Eve thing. That's when I remember her most, with Anderson Cooper or something.
Maurio Dawson:She did a reality show also. Oh, she did. Yeah, it was called the D-List. Yeah, it was on ETV. What's the D-List? Yeah?
Carmen Lezeth:it was on ETV. What's the D-List?
Maurio Dawson:That was the name of her show. She called herself a D-List artist.
Rick Costa:Oh my God, that's hilarious yeah.
Alma Dawson:It was funny. She had her mom on there too, it was funny.
Maurio Dawson:Yeah, she lost all of that. But then she also suffered cancer at the same time and lost her voice, and her voice is not the same.
Carmen Lezeth:But she's okay. Now though, right, she's better now.
Maurio Dawson:Yes, but that goes into. Some comedians are artists.
Carmen Lezeth:Oh, absolutely.
Maurio Dawson:Think about it. We're talking about Kathy Griffin being. She's a comedian, but she's also Using art. That went too far For some people. But then if you look at AD Murphy, who is a genius, his, his Acting, his stand up Is just bar none. You know, it still holds up. Delirious, still holds up.
Carmen Lezeth:Yes, it does.
Maurio Dawson:If it's something that still stands the test of time and you can still go back to it and reference it, it's art I would say comedians are art.
Carmen Lezeth:I have never thought of it that way, mario. But when you just said that comedians take a big risk because they go up there, talk about religion, politics, everything and they're trying to make you laugh, but but they're making that undercut statement, I never thought about it that way. But I would absolutely say that's art, I agree.
Maurio Dawson:It's an art form, because everybody can't do it, everyone can't paint, everyone can't sing, so it's definitely an art form.
Carmen Lezeth:Absolutely I feel bad about Kathy Griffin. I mean, I'll be honest with you, I never really liked her myself, like she's not my kind of flavor. And what I mean by that is I don't like kind of the slappy, sticky type of, you know, like the Jim Carrey. I respect Jim Carrey but I don't want to watch him. You know what I mean. I don't want to watch the kind of that kind of thing, like Steve Martin, I respect him.
Alma Dawson:I don't want to watch that kind of thing. Like steve martin, I respect him.
Carmen Lezeth:I don't want to watch that kind of. Does that make sense, like whatever? Well, back in the day, yeah, like I like, like I was trying to think oh, there's this new guy. I forget his name, he's so good. He's a young black man, oh my god, I don't know what his name, but he's so good. But.
Maurio Dawson:I like people. Is he Aaron Pierre?
Carmen Lezeth:What.
Maurio Dawson:Is he Aaron Pierre?
Carmen Lezeth:No, I don't think so.
Maurio Dawson:What I'm just? I'm just messing with you. Not yet. He's a Googler, he's a beautiful man we love him, he's an actor, the Googler.
Carmen Lezeth:Google you know okay, I can find out who this guy is because I follow him now on YouTube. Chris Rock, to me, is hysterically funny I'm trying to think of, if you listen to old school Richard Pryor funny as all you know. George Carlin, I could take. I could you know and I know people get upset when I say this about George Carlin I some of the stuff he says I think he's wrong.
Carmen Lezeth:I just think he's wrong, you know, and. But people, no matter what. Again I'm going to get backlash for so many things on this episode, but I'm not a big. Garland fan. I don't think he's right all the time.
Alma Dawson:But it's thought provoking and that's the whole point. Sensationalist, it's thought provoking. And then you were. You touched on the religion thing To me, for the religion part of it. Some preachers are artists, the way that they're able to deliver the word, the way that they're able to make you think about God's word and be insightful.
Alma Dawson:It can be anyone. You can go to any church. I really am very universal as to who I listen to. If they have a good word to preach and I'm learning from them and they're making me want to go to my Bible and read it, that's to me as someone who you know. I love that because I'm always seeking to learn?
Carmen Lezeth:Is it the oratory skills?
Alma Dawson:Is it the oratory skills.
Maurio Dawson:Yes, the rise and the fall.
Alma Dawson:Yes, and all of that also is the music, the worship part for me. The music, that is a very big component for me. I can go somewhere and they have great worship that takes me to a place where I feel like I'm closer to heaven. I'll say it that way, so even that, even in the lyrics of the music, and it doesn't have to be necessarily gospel, no, I appreciate you saying this because it's so funny, because I was like oh, but here's what I'll say.
Carmen Lezeth:I know that whenever I listen to, jesus loves me, when whitney houston's singing it, or sissy houston or whatever I am like, or if I'm listening to anything from sister act two, I'm sorry I'm being very ghetto, but I'm like. But you, I'm sorry, I'm sorry For the people who are not religious, but I think you're right because you're listening to music that moves you and takes you somewhere.
Carmen Lezeth:And it makes you and I have always said this takes you somewhere and it makes you and I have always said this I am jealous of people, especially the women, who go to church on Sunday and they all dressed up and they you know, and and the belief and the love and the commitment, and I think you're right.
Alma Dawson:It there's an art to that. There is an art, yes, yeah, but I'm also of the belief that church isn't just the four walls, so you don't have to be in a church to practice the kindness and to practice the love that God tells us to practice with everyone. It's just been all in you how you wish to express yourself and your love and your faith with others. But, like I said, yeah, there's definitely an art form in that, in practicing.
Carmen Lezeth:Okay, I'm going to throw this out at you and Rick Mario, you too, but because I think I already know what you're going to say. That's why I think I know I could be wrong. But so is it okay that there are atheists and agnostics in your world or in this world that you can appreciate? If they don't, they might see what you think about art, but may not consider that art or something they believe in.
Alma Dawson:I'm always of the thought that I'm never going to force my beliefs or my thoughts on anyone else. I can only lead by example or show you by how I live my life and how I treat others or how I you know, because it's always it's examine me, examine my life, and if you can take something from that, then that's what you know. I feel like that's what my faith calls me to do. I have to lead a life that can be exemplary or where someone can find some light and you're okay, though you embrace agnostics and atheists.
Carmen Lezeth:I love them too.
Alma Dawson:God says love everyone. God says to love everyone and pray for everyone. Whether they believe in the prayer that I'm believing, it doesn't matter. I believe in the prayer that I'm saying for you, for your safety, for your health, for your deliverance. I believe.
Carmen Lezeth:How do you deal with? And, rick, I want you to chime in too. Mario, you can chime in too. I'm sorry, but this is fascinating that we've gone. This I was not. This is people.
Alma Dawson:This is not on the list and I'm going to tell you, even prayer can be an art form. Some people can pray and you feel nothing. It's a flat line. Other people can pray and they move you.
Carmen Lezeth:Prayer changes things. Do you get offended if people are like I don't need you to pray for me because I don't believe in that?
Alma Dawson:No, I feel like no, because I'm going to pray no matter what. I'm not the person who's going to say oh, let me. You know, some people come in and say I'm going to lay my hands on you and I'm not that type. If I see a need, I will. I will pray for them.
Carmen Lezeth:They don't need to know that I'm praying because Rick on your show sorry, rick Costa has a show every day at 3 pm, monday through Friday. Sunday through Friday at 3 pm Pacific time. Pacific time See Okay Saturdays at 11 Eastern 1130 Eastern 1130, eastern 830. Your time. Go to rickcostacom to check it out. Okay, so I just gave you a little plug there and now I'm going to beat you up.
Maurio Dawson:So here, no, we're not going to beat you up. No, we're not going to beat you up.
Carmen Lezeth:I love Rick. I'm just kidding. What are your thoughts on what we're talking about? What are your thoughts?
Rick Costa:I was just thinking about this guy that has come up on my YouTube in a while. I guess the algorithm he hidden it. But this guy that's not a Christian. I don't know if he's an atheist, but he's definitely not a Christian. But he's a musician. But he'll listen to Christian songs and say, wow, that was amazing, wow, the lyrics were good, wow, that was moving. Sometimes I'd be like yo, that made me cry. Like you know, it's doesn't matter can still be affected by music. I've always said two plus two is four. No matter what anybody who says it, it's still the truth.
Carmen Lezeth:But if somebody says to you I don't want you to pray for me. I don't believe in that stuff. Does that bother you? How does that make you feel? Or what does that do to you as a Christian, If someone is an atheist and agnostic and you try to comfort them by saying I'm going to pray for you?
Rick Costa:It doesn't matter what they say. They can't make me do nothing, so I'm still going to do it anyway. Probably won't do it even harder now, because you said that, right, I'm not going to say it to their faith. I'm not going to say it to their faith, I'm going to respect them. No, yeah.
Carmen Lezeth:I think that's an interesting thing, because I think what I have I have definitely moved away from Catholicism and Christianity in a huge way. There's no question about it, and I can't say that I'm an atheist by any means. I do believe in something bigger, but I am I'm not sure I'm agnostic. I don't know where I'm at. I have my issues with God. I keep being like if there's a God, you need to. I need some proof now, because this is not working. Everything that I'm asking for is not working. And then my time, we now at like I'm in my fifties. We still having the same conversation my Lord, you need to move some mountains here, but I'm just kidding, but I'm not. In a way, I feel like I've really moved away from the thought process of a God.
Carmen Lezeth:I do love gospel music. I do love music that moves me, and so it doesn't almost matter sometimes If you're talking about hurting and killing people. Sometimes I hear lyrics that throw me and I'm like, okay, I can't listen to that. I heard a song the other day by Tupac and I was like wait, oh no, it was Biggie, it was Biggie. And I was like wait, oh no, it was Biggie, it was Biggie. And I was like, oh he nasty, I'm not listening to this. I've been listening to that song forever. I'm like he is nasty. I was like I just got the word finally. You know what I mean, because Biggie was a little nasty.
Carmen Lezeth:Oh yeah, tupac wasn't that crass.
Maurio Dawson:Yes, he was. You have not gone into his catalog.
Carmen Lezeth:I have gone into his catalog. Maybe I'm just more biased to Tupac.
Maurio Dawson:Okay.
Alma Dawson:So even if there was, I can quote Wait, why do you have to look away from me?
Maurio Dawson:We're talking about music and art. I can quote to you right off the top of my dome where Tupac's told Biggie I effed your wife and I did this.
Carmen Lezeth:I know what song you're talking about. That don't bother me as much as I know I know. I know that don't bother me as much as the way in which Biggie is talking about women and what he's doing to them in the moment against their will. You see the difference, Because I feel like Tupac fighting and saying not lies, but saying like instigating whatever, and that is bad. That's bad, but that I expect in rap. But what I'm talking about is the misogyny that is so bad that you're like raping people on music. You know what?
Carmen Lezeth:I'm saying that's where I'm like. Oh, I cannot, and I was like, and I'll tell you off what the song is, and I'm like, oh, I can't, I had to delete Biggie off my. I'm like I did not know, I did not, I had to delete Biggie. I don't know why Biggie was on my playlist anyways. I'm just going to say that right now. I don't know why.
Maurio Dawson:You know why he was on your playlist.
Carmen Lezeth:I know why. But okay, going back to Rick for a moment, I just feel like for me sometimes, especially when I watch your show because you're on every night and sometimes I'll try to catch you out in the afternoon here during my lunch break, and you pray for the same things over and over again and a part of me is you praying for the same thing and it's not getting nowhere. What does that do for you? Or what do you feel when I say something like that sounds or seems dismissive, which I'm still trying to be respectful, but that's my question. Like I, I get sad because I used to believe and I don't anymore.
Rick Costa:Yeah, so there's a story that Jesus tells about a woman who goes to this judge's house and keeps on knocking on the door over and over and over and finally he just relents. He's like she keeps doing the same thing over and over again until, like he just can't stand it anymore, he gets out of bed because he does it like in middle of the night and he finally gives her what she wants. And I think Jesus is saying it's okay to keep on praying over and over and over again.
Carmen Lezeth:So I have to wear him down. That's what it is. I have to keep asking every day.
Rick Costa:I do that with people sometimes too.
Maurio Dawson:You got to take your ticket and get in line just like everybody else.
Alma Dawson:I'm just saying okay okay, can I jump in here? Can I jump in here?
Rick Costa:But I also want to say that what I do during the whole thing it actually brings comfort to a lot of people and that's really the main reason why I do it, and like when I call out your name and I know your issue specifically and I say lovely that they feel comfort from that. Now it's taking up a big chunk of time yes, it does but because you know, they makes them feel special.
Carmen Lezeth:I mean now I could do it, because I've memorized this so much. I could come on the list with you, and I don't watch you daily, but I do watch you and I get it, because in Catholicism the priest is Jesus, basically, and so it's that same thing, right, it's that you all rolled your eyes.
Carmen Lezeth:I'm just saying that's the problem with Catholicism. But that's the idea is you're talking to the priest asking for forgiveness. He is God, it's blah, blah, blah, and so what ends up happening is you do feel comforted when he calls your name out at the altar or at the you know. So I get it, but I love how you all rolled your eyes.
Rick Costa:The Mass is literally the exact same thing every time, Except, you know, the reading is different, the homily is different, but everything else is literally. Stand up, sit down same response, exactly the same.
Carmen Lezeth:Oh yeah, I hadn't been to church in 15 years, and then I became a godmother for the fifth time or something, and I went into the church and it was like I left, they had not changed a damn thing and it was a different state. Okay, it was a different state. I was like what is?
Maurio Dawson:happening. You jumped right in and picked it right up, didn't you?
Carmen Lezeth:it's kind of like an old song you hadn't heard in a long time. You just know the words like yeah, that's why, in a way, it is art. I don don't know, I don't know. It's weird, but you know, repeating stuff is good too. That's not a bad thing. You repeat on your show, rick. You do a lot of the same thing. It's to comfort people. People like to feel like they know and understand something. Alma's I can feel when Alma has something to say. Go ahead, girl.
Alma Dawson:You sound a little bit of spirit, go ahead, I can feel the spirit coming through the screen. I, just when you know you said if you were, if he was offended by you, saying that you hear him praying for the same thing and nothing is happening. No, I'm going to say no, not offended, but the thing is that maybe even for myself, I pray for the same things, but they get manifested in my life in different ways. So I think it's all in your perspective, really, truly. I just really feel that it's in your perspective, but it's also, it's your. Like Rick said, he's praying and it comforts people. I feel like prayer definitely is, definitely is a conversation between you, between you and God. That's your own personal, your personal relationship, your personal language with him. Sometimes God doesn't change the thing that you want him to change, but is he changing your heart? And see, sometimes it's about maybe that thing you're asking for is not really the thing that you need to be praying for change for.
Carmen Lezeth:And this is possible if I push back and say isn't that also just a way of explaining what's not happening, right?
Alma Dawson:I mean, this is the problem with a lot of people, and then that's what I'm saying it's all about. It's all about, I feel like faith, prayer, religion. It's all also about making you think you know what I'm saying. They can't just all be like it's like art.
Maurio Dawson:Yes.
Carmen Lezeth:That's why you were saying it's like art.
Alma Dawson:I got you. It's to make you think, it's to make you reflect, it's to make you look at it from different perspectives, when it's different for everyone. The prayer that I pray is specific, maybe for the things that are happening in my life, but it may speak into something different, into someone else's life, which I may not know what it's about. But my prayer, even as generic as it may sound or may be perceived as generic, is actually speaking into someone's life in a different way that I may not know.
Carmen Lezeth:Let me be clear. I'm okay with everyone praying for me. Pray for me as much as you want. I will take all prayers. I am not against it at all. I am not one of those people. I don't care what religion you're in or what you believe. If you're praying for me, I'm all for it.
Alma Dawson:Go for it, I don't care If I have a question. I want to throw a question out there. Yes, of course, something when you were little that you didn't think you were going to like, but you went and you did it and you loved it. Are you asking me a question? All of us, everyone. Okay, say it again. So something that you did as a child that was art related, that you love and you still, it's still something that you do now as an adult.
Carmen Lezeth:I thought I would hate going to see Bizette's Carmen is the opera. And now I mean I love opera and I now say it's not true. But I always say that I was named after the opera Carmen, like that's-.
Alma Dawson:Yeah, you stole mine. You stole mine. Oh really, it's opera for me. I went to see an elementary school. It was a school field trip. La Opera has this great program where elementary school teachers go to a class and then they give their kids a free trip to the opera and they get to go see the dress rehearsal. So my first opera was with Placido Domingo. And I completely fell in love and I've loved it ever since and I introduced Marissa to it and she loves it. She did a whole thing, so yeah so.
Alma Dawson:So that was mine. I didn't steal yours.
Carmen Lezeth:We just share the same. That's kind of cool, oh my god. Oh, that's kind of so cool. I love that we'll have to go on a date. Yes, just me and you, though let's leave it there no, we'll leave it there.
Maurio Dawson:Leave me, I'm fine with it that's a nap opportunity for him.
Alma Dawson:He naps, oh really okay let's do it.
Carmen Lezeth:I would love to do it. Okay, rick, I'm sorry. What about you?
Rick Costa:Naps are life.
Carmen Lezeth:We thought we were going to talk about being in the orchestra. I thought you were going to say something about the opera, but go ahead.
Rick Costa:It's like art related.
Maurio Dawson:I don't know Anything that you can think it's okay, she should throw one out there.
Carmen Lezeth:That took a little time to think about. Okay, anything related, whatever works for you.
Rick Costa:I remember when, as a kid I loved to go to the beach all the time. So not art related, but and I never really did learn how to swim. I could doggy paddle, but at first I I never thought I would even like that, but then I started. Oh no, this is fun. Go in the water, splash each other, try swimming, try not to die, try not to die Do you still?
Carmen Lezeth:not know how to swim now.
Rick Costa:Doggy paddle. That's it, and I can float. I'm like okay. Okay.
Carmen Lezeth:Here's another question Totally off tangent, would okay.
Rick Costa:Here's another question totally off tangent would you go on a cruise on a boat I have on my honeymoon?
Carmen Lezeth:oh, really see, I would think it'd be hard to go on a boat or a cruise if you didn't know how to swim. I don't know why that would. I did it yeah you don't know how to swim either I do now I can survive now, yeah, but back, no.
Maurio Dawson:not on my first cruise.
Maurio Dawson:It was horrible, oh that's so funny, oh, but to answer Elma's question, my childhood experience was that I got to be in my first play at five years old oh, actor, and so I've been in love with theater ever since. So that's where my affection for music, musicals, plays, art, any type of concert, that's where that comes from, that five-year-old performance and it was a fundraiser and performance for Kaiser Permanente, believe it or not, and it was at the Wilshire E Bell Theater here in LA. I love it and I had my debut at five years old.
Carmen Lezeth:I love it yeah.
Maurio Dawson:Isn't that the?
Carmen Lezeth:coolest thing, don't you love those little things that happen when you're a kid? And then they, I don't know, they change your life, but you remember them forever. There are certain things I cannot remember when I was five, six, seven, eight years old, but there were those little moments like what you just talked about. Oh, now I remember clear as day.
Maurio Dawson:It's a thread. It's a long thread that runs through our life, through our lifespan Did you guys go see Janet Jackson?
Carmen Lezeth:Is that where you were in Las Vegas?
Maurio Dawson:We did.
Carmen Lezeth:I knew you were there.
Maurio Dawson:I knew you did At Resort World.
Carmen Lezeth:Oh, I knew that's where you were. Okay, that's art right there.
Alma Dawson:Oh yeah, she still got it. She still got it.
Maurio Dawson:She was dropping it low, bringing it up slow, popping it, dropping it. Flames were flying, they were. It was nice, it was incredible. She changed costumes. What? Six times? Five or six times, six times.
Alma Dawson:Yes, oh yeah, it was great she had risers.
Maurio Dawson:She was on a little pole that rolls up in the middle of the stage, laser lights all around. She gave a show, yeah it was good. She gave a show Two hours and six minutes. Really, yeah, just her, nobody else. It's a great show.
Carmen Lezeth:It's interesting, though right, how art can move us. I wasn't even there, but I knew. I knew when you were like, oh, we're going to be in Las Vegas. I'm like he's going to go see Janet Jackson.
Maurio Dawson:Yep, so did I.
Carmen Lezeth:I knew where you guys were going. I wasn't even there and I'm not going to see her, but it's like I know that what she did was art, not even a question.
Rick Costa:She even the question she's in a few clips. She'll be like oh my god, yeah, yeah, I wonder if there's a part of, there's a little part of her that says michael's not here, so let me try to.
Alma Dawson:She honors him on her show honors him.
Maurio Dawson:Yeah, she's saying scream, does she?
Carmen Lezeth:scream with him still, yeah, in the background yeah I mean, remember janet? Janet Jackson was an artist in her own right, regardless of Michael. I'm not trying to be rude, but I loved Nasty and Control. Control was first right. Control was her first album.
Maurio Dawson:No, it's Young Love.
Carmen Lezeth:What was it?
Maurio Dawson:Her first album was Young Love.
Carmen Lezeth:Okay, what was Pleasure Principle? I knew that whole song, that's the Control Love. Okay, what was Pleasure?
Maurio Dawson:Principle. I knew that whole song, that's the Control album.
Carmen Lezeth:Okay, I knew that I could do that dance right now for you all. I could do it right now. Get on that chair, I could do the champion and I could do the backflip back in the day you just better do it. And she didn't really. Let me just tell you she did not do the backflip.
Carmen Lezeth:I did the backflip because I was all in that, but she was an artist in her own right, and so the only reason I push back on that is because I'm sure she misses her brother. But those are two different geniuses right there.
Maurio Dawson:Yeah.
Carmen Lezeth:In the same family Crazy.
Maurio Dawson:I saw a clip, though, where Michael said that Janet stole his military stuff from Rhythm Nation.
Carmen Lezeth:Was he being funny?
Maurio Dawson:No, he was upset. He was like no, he was already doing this, his story thing, his story album. He needed to stop. No, he said it started with Captain EO when he was doing the we Are the Change of the World. He was doing the militant moves and she saw Captain EO and she's like Michael, can I kind of borrow that? And she's like Michael, can I borrow that? And he's like whatever, because he's like I was about to go into that whole military type dance. He said Janice stole that Shay.
Carmen Lezeth:You know what I'm just saying? I don't know if I believe him and he's not here. May he rest in peace. But no, he needs to leave her alone. Yeah, but you know that's still in love, but no, he needs to leave her alone yeah yeah, better anyways
Rick Costa:because that was a rhythm nation is a great album.
Carmen Lezeth:Yeah, another layered thing that people did 18, 14. People did not understand all of these things. It was so, yeah, people angry about that album too. Remember when that came out yeah I don't know why?
Rick Costa:Wasn't she an actress too on Good Times as a little girl? Oh yeah, that was Penny.
Carmen Lezeth:That was Penny. That was a sad storyline, though I hate it.
Alma Dawson:Yeah, it was. I was sure you were going to say the comic books were your art thing.
Carmen Lezeth:What comic books? Well, that's true.
Alma Dawson:You read comic books.
Rick Costa:I didn't read comic books.
Carmen Lezeth:I don't know you're looking back that's not comic books, that's Marvel shit, but it comes from comic books. But I didn't know some people. I'm just saying some people love Marvel but are not comic book fans. I've never heard Rick talk about reading comic books. I didn't know.
Rick Costa:I didn't know. It was until I was like 14, I think it was whenever that Fox X-Men cartoon came out.
Carmen Lezeth:Then I was like dope. Do you have some that we can sell and invest in? The podcast live stream.
Rick Costa:You know what a long box is. A long box is a specific box made for comics. I don't even know how many long boxes I have full of comics Wow, we do.
Alma Dawson:That's an art collection.
Rick Costa:I told my son. I said, if I die, you better sell these things, make some money. Why don't you?
Carmen Lezeth:sell them now and make some money.
Maurio Dawson:Yeah, the older they are, the make some money. Why don't you tell them now? And make some money. Yeah, the older they are, the more they enjoy.
Carmen Lezeth:I'm just saying leave that stupid job. I mean not the stupid job.
Maurio Dawson:It's a great job. It's not stupid, it's income. We love our jobs.
Carmen Lezeth:We do, and with that at the hour mark before we go down, a horrible you know what. I had a worse day today at work and yesterday was a horrible day and then it was raining all day and I hate how people drive in LA. So yeah, I'm just saying if you sold the comic books and they were worth millions of dollars, I mean, are comic books worth? They're worth a lot of money it can be, yeah you like cynthia, you don't want to spend your money.
Rick Costa:You got money, you got investments, but you don't want to spend it well, like there's also this digital comic thing called vvve and it's all digital comics. And I took a chance one day and there was like a really old, old, old Hulk one. I was like let me take a chance. It was like 20 bucks. I was like, Ooh, that's a lot, Cause usually most of them are six 99.
Rick Costa:I was like maybe it's worth something that I did, a little bit of research and you. There's five possibilities. You can get Just normal blah, blah, blah until super rare. I got the super rare and that thing cost $1,000.
Carmen Lezeth:Wait, you bought it for $20 and now it's $1,000?.
Maurio Dawson:It's worth $1,000.
Carmen Lezeth:It's a digital thing. It's digital and you don't want to sell that. You never know it could go more later. I'm just saying you know what? I'm not that kind of investor. I'm not that kind of investor. I don't invest like that. I'm not going to be hurting in pain while I have investments that could make me feel happy. I'm not that person. But that's why I guess I work for other people, because I don't wait the long gate. All right With that, I am going to end the show. Thank, guess I work for other people because I don't wait the long gate. But all right with that, I am going to end the show. Thank you so much for stopping by. You guys are awesome. We have so much fun in these private lounges. Please visit us at allaboutthejoycom and remember, at the end of the day, it really is all about the joy. Yay. Thank you everyone. Bye. Thanks for stopping by. All About the Joy. Be better and stay beautiful. Folks, have a sweet day.