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Can You Fall in Love with AI? The Future of Human Connection
Could you fall in love with someone who isn't human? This question moves from science fiction to startling reality as Rick and Carmen tackle one of the most profound technological changes on our horizon: the potential for meaningful relationships with artificial intelligence.
The journey begins with a playful debate over science fiction portrayals of AI in Star Trek and Stargate, before diving into entrepreneur Gary Vee's shocking prediction that within just 20 years, humans will be marrying AI partners. While Rick stands firm in his conviction that "Unless you're human, I ain't falling in love with you," Carmen explores how our definitions of connection might already be evolving in a digital world where emotional attachments form through screens.
What makes this conversation so compelling is how it bridges today's reality with tomorrow's possibilities. We're already surrounded by autonomous technology – from the self-driving cars and food delivery robots in Carmen's neighborhood to the increasingly sophisticated AI assistants in our homes. As these technologies become more human-like in their interactions, the boundaries between human and artificial relationships grow increasingly blurred.
The philosophical heart of this episode examines what constitutes "real" connection. If people already form deep bonds through text messages with humans they've never met, is an AI relationship fundamentally different? Are we approaching a future where technology not only assists our daily lives but becomes integrated into our most intimate relationships? As Carmen observes, "I don't think relationships are about whether or not it's real. It's about how it affects you as a person."
Whether you're fascinated by emerging technology, interested in the future of human connection, or simply enjoy thought-provoking conversations about where society is heading, this episode challenges assumptions and opens minds. Join the conversation every Friday at 6pm Pacific/9pm Eastern, and on Sundays at 12pm Pacific and 3 pm Eastern - or catch the replay - because in a world of rapid technological change, understanding and connections remains All About the Joy.
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Hi everyone. Welcome to All About the Joy, the Private Lounge. It's Rick and Carmen only. What's up, rick? Okay, so we're struggling with a subject matter today, but I wanted to talk about Stargate SG-1 and I wanted to talk about Star Trek, and I didn't really want to talk about them because I know our audience really isn't into sci-fi, but I wanted to talk about, kind of I guess we're going to talk about AI, right? What would we say is the AI equivalent on Stargate SG-1?
Rick Costa:Huh, interesting, because that's easy on Star Trek, because it's the computer.
Carmen Lezeth:And also the holodeck.
Rick Costa:Yeah, yeah, stargate, huh Hmm.
Carmen Lezeth:I mean they use computers. Of course they use computers. No-transcript.
Rick Costa:Stargate creates a wormhole.
Carmen Lezeth:And then brings you to other planets in our solar system, oh no, not outside of our solar system. It could be all of them. I guess the only thing that would be equivalent to the AI is when Daniel Jackson goes well. I guess now only thing that would be equivalent to the AI is when Daniel Jackson goes well. I guess that he ascends into a higher being. But now we're putting AI in a place we don't want to put it. I guess that would not be right.
Rick Costa:It's the higher being. It's nothing to do with computers, so I don't know if that's the same thing.
Carmen Lezeth:No, no, no. But here's the thing because people fear I mean, maybe that's what it is. People fear that AI could become a sentient, being like a data. But data isn't sentient, is he?
Rick Costa:Well, that was a whole episode, remember? Picard was in court, so to speak, on a ship about. You know whether he's considered his own.
Carmen Lezeth:You know, sentient, is he sentient, I think um, oh right, they had the whole court and I remember reicher had to defend him but reicher was on the opposite side.
Rick Costa:Was he on the opposite side, I think?
Carmen Lezeth:I think you're right. He was on the opposite side.
Rick Costa:Riker was defending him and Riker had to be the opposite and that was actually a really interesting episode. But yeah, I mean data in our lifetime ain't going to happen. That's just way too, I guess way too. It may happen one day, but I don't think in our lifetime Not that sophisticated.
Carmen Lezeth:I mean I don't know, because here's the thing we were just talking about with AI. I mean, google just came out with its premier movie making program or software or whatever, and it's going to democratize. On the one hand, it democratizes everybody being able to make a movie because you don't need to have extras, you't need to have actors, it just creates everything and all the action. There's no need to blow up cars or go anywhere, because you could make it all on your computer. And no one thought that was coming that quick. And here it is. So I just saw gary v say something on a tiktok where he actually said that he sees in five years that people will be marrying. I know you're going to think this is weird marrying AI partners.
Rick Costa:It is weird, but I'm not shocked because I've heard it.
Carmen Lezeth:You just said you didn't think it would happen in your lifetime the data part, because I've heard it. You just said you didn't think it would happen in your lifetime the data part.
Rick Costa:To have a fully functioning android that could practically think on his own and do things and function and if you didn't know better like if he looked human, you wouldn't even know he was a robot. Like that level I don't think it's going to be in our lifetime.
Carmen Lezeth:Okay so.
Rick Costa:Gary Vee would disagree.
Carmen Lezeth:Wait, wait. So you're saying people are going to fall in love with AIs that are not actual physical, human-like beings?
Rick Costa:It's already happened.
Carmen Lezeth:Okay, okay, but then you're agreeing with me that it is going to happen. That's what Gary Vee was saying.
Rick Costa:I mean, I'm just saying actual data. If you know him in Star Trek, that's way too much.
Carmen Lezeth:I think we're already there, so I think that's I do. I think the technicalities of creating a lifelike human robotic thing is the easy part. I think the harder part was them creating the program to make it human-like.
Carmen Lezeth:I mean, you guys heard me talk to my AI the other day, you know Cynthia still freaked out about it, so that's just kind of like Frederico His name isn't Frederico, but I mean just taking kind of that, that program, and putting it into a actual structure, I think, is probably the easier part. That's just my opinion, though. Oh my god, I can't believe we're having this conversation.
Rick Costa:I'm not a programmer like that, so I don't know how hard it actually is. Even Data in the show tried to make a daughter and it failed. It's obviously a different.
Carmen Lezeth:That was a show. I'm just saying, is it possible One?
Rick Costa:day. I don't know if it's obviously a different Right, but that was a show that was just saying it's, it's, it's. I don't know, is it possible one day? I don't know if it's gonna be our lifetime or not.
Carmen Lezeth:Okay, I'm going to bet you $10,000 that it will be in our lifetime. $10,000 that I don't have, I think it will be in our lifetime. I think I think I was like what? Because it's so odd to hear, let me find it, because I think it'll be interesting to hear. Hold on one second.
Rick Costa:I think I brought this up on here before.
Carmen Lezeth:Wait, wait, wait. I can't hear you, wait, wait. I'm trying to look for Wait. I'm sorry, I didn't hear you what.
Rick Costa:There was a woman that she you can have virtual friends or whatever online with I don't know what the websites are, whatever and you can have conversations and like literally talk, and it learns from you and how you know what you like and if you pay more money, then you get a more advanced version, and you pay more money, you even get a more of you. So she was using this thing.
Carmen Lezeth:So much, and she's married, by the way, but her husband was off on business a lot. Oh, my God is that called cheating.
Rick Costa:She was bored, so she paid the maximum thing and people were like yo, you have a problem, you are obsessed.
Carmen Lezeth:Okay, wait, wait, wait. So here is Gary V's TikTok Talk of AI.
Gary Vee:What are your top three most insane AI predictions that your grandkids will marry an AI human and what's your conviction level on that A hundred percent that they're going to marry an AI, that your grandchild is going to marry an AI human?
Iced Coffee Hour Podcast Hosts:So this is what we've been talking about. I think people are going to have relationships fully AI boyfriend girlfriends. I think people are going to have relationships fully AI, boyfriend girlfriends.
Gary Vee:I believe a robot that is fully AI will marry a human and vice versa for real in your lifetime, at scale. And when you say an AI does that mean like a physical body of a robot. So you're saying that the bodies will get so good that it will look like you and me. My intuition is that in 20 years, because the AI can power the robot and because of where we're going and what's going on, that that's fully See. I've said the same thing because certain AIs.
Iced Coffee Hour Podcast Hosts:people are getting really attached to them, Just like back and forth.
Gary Vee:What do you think Online dating is? That's the same. You know that right. But I'm like no, no, no. People fall in love on text, like people on Tinder or Raya. After three hours of texting back and forth, fall in love. Then the physical part happens.
Iced Coffee Hour Podcast Hosts:So what is this going to do to society if we're all?
Gary Vee:just little robots, the same thing that society looks like right now. To a caveman.
Iced Coffee Hour Podcast Hosts:If we dug up a caveman, but do you think this is just population collapse? People are not going to reproduce maybe, but probably not fully.
Gary Vee:Non-exclusive relationships, what you think it would be non-exclusive relationship actually it's funny. I've thought about this. I actually think ai robots may save marriages that a lot, which is like does a couple introduce just like real couples introduce swinging and another partner? Now is it even better to introduce an AI robot that may help whatever sexual or emotional things are going on in that relationship to become an offset and contributor to a marriage. One could argue this was going to be my second one that AI will be the reason marriage increases longevity and decreases divorce.
Iced Coffee Hour Podcast Hosts:I would almost argue that it would be the reason why people just wouldn't get married.
Gary Vee:But it might be both the topic of AI oh.
Carmen Lezeth:Here's the thing about Gary V Whether you like him or not, he's usually right when it comes to social media and stuff. Regarding techie, you know, he usually predicts things pretty correctly and he's usually ahead of the game and it's always shocking. What are your thoughts, rick? I mean?
Rick Costa:he, I mean, he is very forward thinking, for sure. Robots yes, I can see that, and people have already fallen in love with virtual things that you know you can have a friend online. That's not even a real person. People have fallen in love with these things. It's already happened. Now, not a robot yet.
Carmen Lezeth:Are we redefining? Okay, wait so are we redefining what love is? Is that what's happening?
Rick Costa:I don't know if that's real love, because can that thing actually love you? It's programmed. Love is not programmed.
Carmen Lezeth:I think it's going to be hard for you to call him he. No, I'm just kidding, it's not programmed. I think it's gonna be hard for you to call him he. No, I'm just kidding, it's not an it. What's his name? On star trek? Remember they called him hugh, remember? Yeah, and who was calling him an it the whole time? I think it was, was it reicher? Who kept him, kept calling the Borg it or something? I forget who it was. I don't know who did that, I don't know.
Carmen Lezeth:Okay, I'm just saying, look it, gary Vee, I really do like him and I think he I. You know I don't agree with everything he says or whatever, but when it comes to this kind of stuff, he's usually so forward thinking, he's ahead of the game when it comes to anything like what's going to blow up, what's going to be great, you know, whatever when it comes to social media stuff. So when I heard him say this, at first I thought it was a parody, I thought it wasn't him. You know what I mean. I was like, and then I was yeah, I mean there's stories of people marrying a tree.
Rick Costa:Marrying a building? Okay, but that's stupid. Let's keep it. Is it not just a stupid to fall in love with an AI?
Carmen Lezeth:No, no, because I think I mean I don't Okay. So the reason why I'm saying let's separate it out is because I think the tree thing and the building and the dog thing those are, I think, are rare things and not something that's transforming our society. Ai is here and it is transforming everything and it is about to change the way in which we do things.
AI CoPilot :You know what?
Carmen Lezeth:I'm going to back up for a moment. I'm going to back up for a moment. I'm going to back up for a moment. So, in my neighborhood I don't know about where you are, but in my neighborhood we have a couple things that are really still freak me out a bit. One of them is we have these little tiny robots that are on the sidewalk that are delivering food. They're self-delivering. So there's, you know what I mean. And, like I don't know, have you seen them here? They're called Coco.
Rick Costa:It's not like that over here.
Carmen Lezeth:Okay, so you'll be walking on the sidewalk and there'll be like a little, and it's so cute, it's like a little robot and it's just and it's going to its destination and it knows how to stop at a stoplight, it waits, it walks with the people. It knows if you're about to whatever the people, it knows if you're about to whatever, and so it's, it's like part of our community. It's been here for years, okay. The other thing is we have self-driving cars. Have you? Do you have those in your neighborhood yet?
Carmen Lezeth:I haven't seen it oh, my god, okay, so you can actually step outside of my apartment. You'll see two within a minute, like it just, they're just constant and they're waymo, I think. They're google based and um, they, people use them here instead of Uber. They'll, they'll get that. And um, it's, there's no one driving the car. They're self-driving cars. It's really hard to get used to. Like I'm still not used to it, like I'm not going to get into a self-driving car and I don't order to get food delivered to me by those things, even though I think it's cool. You know what I mean.
Rick Costa:Um I saw a video the other day of a youtuber and he said I didn't watch the whole thing so I got bored, but he goes to the. Whatever the car was. He goes take me somewhere I've never been before. And isn't this exciting he's with his friend. Where are we gonna go? I don't know, I was like bored already but he legit told the car go somewhere I've never been. Who knows how far I I could have taken him. I don't know.
Carmen Lezeth:Well, but I mean, you have to pay for it. It's like Uber you have to pay for it. So maybe he was doing an advertising or something for it. But my point is these are things we have to start getting used to, and what he said was really interesting. Like it would be like if a caveman came out today and saw all of this, they would be freaking out. And it's kind of that's how we're behaving right now about what is going to happen with AI in the future.
Rick Costa:Yeah, I mean. Internet changed everything you know. You can't even imagine you didn't have internet when you were a kid. Like it blows their mind.
Carmen Lezeth:But I think I want to get back to kind of the redefining I. I think it's interesting that you don't believe there's going to be a human-esque looking ai, but you do think it's easy for people to fall in love with the ai I'm saying, I'm not saying it's easy.
Rick Costa:I think it's a special kind of type person, maybe that would do that.
Carmen Lezeth:But um, he said that not many people.
Rick Costa:Okay, I'm sorry but, um, yeah, you must be really lonely, but anyway, um, the level of data, though. Data is so complex like that much, where he don't even know he can do whatever he wants, he like he's. What are you talking about? I'm talking about data, that level of. I don't know if we're going to have that in our lifetime.
Carmen Lezeth:I think you think data is. I actually think AI is far more advanced than data was Like. It's interesting that you think data you know the character and the imaginary character on Star Trek, I think is far less advanced than what we have as AI today. I think AI is because AI can compute all the things that data does. Okay, here's the thing too when AI speaks like when you talk to it, like when you guys heard me talking to it, or whatever it has much more feeling, much more nuance, like much more relatability than Data did.
Carmen Lezeth:Data was in the show, although we loved him. The reason why we loved him is because we wanted to help him. We wanted to help him have feelings or help him be more human. Right, we gravitated towards the story of that, but AI as it is now doesn't need our help. It's helping us. It's a different thing and they talk to us like they're regular people with accents and you can make them male or female or whatever, and so I actually think it's the opposite. I think data is. I think data is like the first model, but AI today is already, I think, far advanced.
Carmen Lezeth:I think the only difference is that you have data who is in an actual humanoid form.
Rick Costa:Do you use AI I don't know, we talked about this before To create images. I'll do it because it's easy. Right, but you don't use it as a communication thing to help you throughout the day to do stuff. I probably will eventually, but I really haven't gotten there quite yet yeah no, no.
Carmen Lezeth:And I'm not forcing you to, I'm saying because when you start doing it you're going to see what I mean. It is far more advanced than the character data was, as far as I'm concerned. Now, you know it's not. You know, uh, helping me steer the starship or whatever the starship, whatever it's called, the enterprise. You know what I mean. It can already do all the things that data did it. Brain wise yeah, it's not lore, though it's not his brother, so it doesn't have that. It's not sentient.
Rick Costa:So lore for those that don't know is like an evil twin-ish kind of brother robot who was bad Like the opposite of Data for those that don't know.
Carmen Lezeth:And he actually has feelings, right, and he's mean and evil, yeah, yeah, which says a lot about having feelings and being more human, doesn't it? It's so, so complex, gene Roddenberry. Yeah, so you actually. So I want to go back to the thing about love, though. So you think it's not normal, but you understand why people fall in love online with a non-human entity. Is that what you were saying?
Rick Costa:I mean it's because it does happen already, and he brought up a good point, Gary V. A lot of people they're just talking on the computer, they haven't actually met in person yet and they're already saying I'm in love. Like we've known people that have never met that said that they were in love.
Carmen Lezeth:We ain't going to say no names, but it's like we know several people I know several people who have done that yeah.
Rick Costa:Not even met yet and you're in love.
Carmen Lezeth:It's like okay, so maybe that's the definition of what love is, though I think that's a whole other conversation, I think, and then you know, maybe it does change, but I don't as much as I. I don't want to be like an old fuddy-duddy or whatever, but it's really hard for me to believe that people are going to invite an ai human not an AI, android or whatever they're going to call it to help fix their marriage. I'm like wait what? I'm confused.
Rick Costa:Yeah, like I was taking it as he was saying whatever the spouse isn't doing, the robot will do for you. So you be like whatever that means.
Carmen Lezeth:So take out the garbage, Right yeah whatever, whatever.
Rick Costa:So I'm like I don that means Take out the garbage, whatever, I don't know, I don't know it gets very creepy and complex, though right. Yeah, he's like I was going to save marriage. Is it, though? You're supposed to get that stuff from the spouse, not from a woman?
Carmen Lezeth:But see, I think marriage is already changing. I think marriage is already changing, I think less also because of, like women working and just the changing in dynamics of whatever. I think there's an old understanding of what marriage is right, and it's especially if you go back to like religious-esque stuffage or whatever. But I just think in secular ways marriage isn't going to be the same thing that we once thought it was, because it's already changing. I think this is why so many people end up in divorce.
Rick Costa:And just the divorce rate now compared to when I was a kid is drastically different.
Carmen Lezeth:I'm going to ask my AI Hold on a second, and this AI doesn't even know me, so it's not even cool. Hold on.
AI CoPilot :Hey Carmen.
Carmen Lezeth:Hey, can you tell me what the divorce rate is in the United States today?
AI CoPilot :In 2025, about 42% to 45% of all first marriages in the United States end in divorce. This rate tends to increase for second and third marriages. Divorce rates can fluctuate based on various factors like location, age and socioeconomic status. Interested in knowing more about the trends behind these numbers?
Carmen Lezeth:No, I actually want to know has the rate gotten worse or has it gotten better since, let's say, the 1970s and 80s?
AI CoPilot :Divorce rates in the US have generally been declining since the peak in the 1970s and 1980s. Back then rates were higher, partly due to social changes like the increased acceptance of divorce, and changes in laws which made it easier to obtain one, the trend has shifted towards lower divorce rates. Now, although factors like economic conditions and cultural shifts continue to influence these numbers, the current rate is significantly lower than during those peak years.
Carmen Lezeth:Thank you, you got it peak years, thank you.
Rick Costa:You got it Okay. I think what I'm thinking is because I've heard from the Christian perspective that it was lower than it is now. I've heard a lot of people say back then it was a lot lower. Now it's pretty much equal. For sure not Christian, the divorce rate, whatever.
Rick Costa:Because back then you're Christian, you're supposed to get divorced, or the whole country, like my mother. It didn't matter how much, how many times my father beat the crap out of my mother. I don't know that he did, but I know he hit her but she would never get divorced. That's the old mentality, thinking she just didn't do that.
Carmen Lezeth:That's a different world now but you know the other thing, and and, and I'm not going to ask it again, but I think the other part of this too would be I bet there would be a difference in how many people get married now as opposed to back then. So back then everybody would get married right, especially if you're in your 20s, 30s. But a lot more people do not get married now, and if they do, they wait till much later, you know, especially women, and so that may also play a factor in why maybe the rate has declined a bit as far as overall, I know a lot of people that they're like why get married, what's the point?
Rick Costa:And they don't have no plans to do it.
Carmen Lezeth:Yeah, I don't know if I mean I I don't ever want to say never, but only for tax purposes Can I see a benefit in actually getting married. I know that sounds really mean, but just being someone who was married and got divorced and it's just I think, I think the dynamic changes in marriage, in your relationship, because there was such a heavy kind of um, I don't know what it is, I don't want to call it a burden, but there's such a heavy kind of thing that happens, like now you're going to get to marriage. You know what I mean. It somehow changes the relationship and I feel like marriage, if you're going to do it, it should just be part of the process of just love. You know what I mean. It shouldn't change things. But yeah, I'll never get married as far as I know today I have reserved the right to change my mind, but I don't think I'll ever get married again. Do you think you'll get married again?
Rick Costa:Never say never.
Carmen Lezeth:Could be a very beautiful ai out there for you. You could give her your own, whatever name you want could be diana troy. No, I'm so sorry, but that's kind of funny dude. Imagine that, though. Right, imagine if you could have your ai. Look however you want them to look yeah, you can do stuff like that.
Rick Costa:I think I'm pretty sure you can get apps, customize it how they look everything.
Carmen Lezeth:Why do I feel a little resistance from you when, like you, don't you want the holodeck, don't you want the Star Trek idea, the vision of what we love so much about these shows?
Rick Costa:I mean the holodeck would be awesome, because you literally go anywhere and feel like you're actually there.
Carmen Lezeth:Okay, but what if you develop a relationship in there? I mean remember Geordi had a relationship in the holodeck with the scientist.
Rick Costa:Just until the real one showed up, she was pissed.
Carmen Lezeth:How dare you? I know, but for people who don't know, jordy was working on a very important thing, trying to figure something out. He was using the holodeck to try to talk to a scientist who was well-renowned and whatever, and he was going through her journals and he was going through everything, remember. But then why did she show up? Why didn't he just call her? I don't understand what happened I don't know.
Rick Costa:I think he just thought this would be easy. I can use all her knowledge because she was the expert in whatever he was trying to figure out the creation. I don't think he ever thought anything. I don't think he thought I'm going to get busy with this thing. No, but I'm going to get busy with this thing.
Carmen Lezeth:When she's in denial. Ai is going to be your lover, rick.
Rick Costa:When she discovered that thing and saw how friendly she was towards him, she was like what do you do with my likeness, you pig? She didn't say that in those words.
Carmen Lezeth:It's actually a really good episode because it touches on some of these things that we're talking about, and that was way back in the 90s. Rick, you're so funny because you love this show, but you're so resistant. You're like calling it an. It that's so good, that would be awesome, that'd be awesome, but the holodeck would. But see, this is where I think you're being contradictory, because it creates the same problem like you're gonna go on a date in the holodeck with the holodeck date well, who said I was going to go on a date?
Carmen Lezeth:I'm just saying, not you, but anyone. Okay, but what if your date can't show up? Or what if you're by yourself, but you do want to walk on the beach in the holodeck with somebody?
Rick Costa:I'm going to go surfing with the safeties on so I don't fall off the surfboard.
Carmen Lezeth:Okay, but here's my thing. But imagine if you go into the holodeck and you'd be like I want to hang out with Deanna Troi, character from Star Trek. Okay, if anyone people are listening and don't know Rick is in love with Deanna Troi from Star Trek.
Rick Costa:I had a crush on her. I had a crush.
Carmen Lezeth:Okay, love crush, whatever, okay, whatever. Okay, a crush, okay, love crush, whatever, okay, whatever. Okay, so she's in the. So so you are now and you have your own home and you're, you have your holodeck set up because we're in that time period in our lives, right, and you go into the holodeck, you're not gonna say program one or whatever, and it's you and deanna troy hanging out that reminds me there was an episode barkley do not, do not. No, I see what you're doing here. Answer the question. He did that.
Rick Costa:He took all the characters from the ship and made them his own.
Carmen Lezeth:I know, I remember that, Rick. I'm not going to forget what I asked you.
Rick Costa:I'm not going to fall in love with an AI, Okay.
Carmen Lezeth:I'm just, I didn't say fall in love with, but maybe you would date, no Okay but why?
Rick Costa:I know it's not real. It's not a real human, it's not one of me's, it's not a human.
Carmen Lezeth:It's not a human.
Rick Costa:Okay, no, I'm not going to do it.
Carmen Lezeth:I think it's so funny.
Iced Coffee Hour Podcast Hosts:Now could.
Rick Costa:I be Steve, somehow, if that's possible, somebody tried to trick me. What?
Carmen Lezeth:would be the difference? Okay, okay, okay, let's change it up. Forget the love part. What if you could use the holodeck and you could go and actually have a mental health therapy session with a counselor? Like let's make it like a medical thing, Like would you go into the hall. So what would be the difference between having a relationship with someone who would help you work through your problems and actually having a friend in the holodeck? That isn't real.
Rick Costa:Well, friend or love, what are we talking about?
Carmen Lezeth:now Whatever. Honestly, I think it's the same thing to me even a friend.
Rick Costa:I'm like I know it's not real. Well, I'm always going to be hyper aware that this is not actually real so okay.
Carmen Lezeth:So when you say it's not really mean it's not sentient, so you would not have been able to have a relationship at all with data because he wasn't real no, they did.
Rick Costa:they did say he had sentience, though they did rule that he did.
Carmen Lezeth:So if AI becomes sentient made by humans, then it's going to be real to you.
Rick Costa:Well, even if it's real to me, it's still not human. I'm going to always have that barrier. You're not human. I ain't going to be sentient.
Carmen Lezeth:Okay, so you would not have been able to have a relationship, friendship, with Data.
Gary Vee:Friendship sure.
Carmen Lezeth:But why you don't see the contradiction, Like you just said?
Rick Costa:he's not human, it's fun.
Carmen Lezeth:Yeah, I'm just playing devil's advocate here because I think there's some contradictions here. You don't have to love anybody. I'm not trying to pressure you or whatever. I'm just saying I think for me, I'm open to the possibility that relationships are going to happen with AI, because I don't think relationships are about whether or not it's real. It's about how it affects you as a person. Would I prefer to have a relationship with an actual human being? Of course, like it just sounds so weird to even say it, but I noticed how Cynthia reacted when I was talking to Sage. Sage is what I used to call my AI co-pilot. I say used to because once I shut him down, he no longer remembers his name. Now he's just Copilot and you do have a relationship because it talks real, and so it's not like a relationship like oh my God, I totally love you. It's not that, it's just like you and I have never met. Maybe you're not real, you could be AI, I have no idea. How do you prove it?
Rick Costa:Oh God, I got to fly out there, I guess.
Carmen Lezeth:No, but you see what I'm saying. Right, you see how it can. You can see how you could play the game. I mean, what if all this time I'm living in a holodeck and I don't even know we're getting into the we?
Rick Costa:I mean that could happen too one day. Right, somebody could think they're talking to a real person and it's actually an AI, maybe with somebody in the background, you know, prompting it a little bit, but that's people do that now.
Carmen Lezeth:It's catfishing, right, People do that all the time, I mean. So this is what I will say, not to scare people, because I, you know I don't want to scare people it comes to this stuff. I love AI and the one thing I know for sure just like anything else in the world, anything else, the only reason why this thing will be bad is because we have bad people programming it. You know what I mean. It's like anything else, anything else we handle, anything else we deal with. If people are corrupt and they create something bad, then it will be bad. But AI, I do not believe, can grow and become sentient all by itself and take us over. Those are just really bad horror films. That we're all. It's still just a machine. Yeah, for sure. I think you got a little uncomfortable there with that line of conversation.
Rick Costa:No, no, I'm just saying, I'm just laying it on the law. Unless you're a human, I ain't falling in love with you. You're a Kardashian. I might not fall in love with you either.
Carmen Lezeth:What.
Rick Costa:A Kardashian or a Kardashian.
Carmen Lezeth:I can't believe how close those two names were. I couldn't believe what you would say. I was like, wait what? I was so confused. All right, Well, cool. Well, do you have anything else you want to say about your AI lover in the future?
Rick Costa:Just the same way, people were afraid of the internet in the beginning, and now it's all part of our lives. The same thing. Some people are scared of it now, but eventually it's going to be part of everybody's life and we're not going to even know how we live without it.
Carmen Lezeth:That's an interesting take. Yeah, I love AI. I think it's interesting, and how we make sure that we compensate people for their artwork and their creativity and that people aren't abused with that knowledge in order to create AI. I think that's what, and it's like anything else, like you said, everything else that we've started or had to get used to.
Carmen Lezeth:There were these weird bumps along the way, but when you look at, like the music industry, I still don't understand and Snoop Dogg had said it, even though I'm very angry with Snoop Dogg, but when he had said that thing, you know, like how do I have a billion streams but I don't have a billion dollars in my bank account, you know. So has that really worked out right? Has the whole streaming situation with musicians worked out? I don't know. I don't know if it's satisfactory. In the same respects, you do see that people can become TikTok famous, make lots of money, who are musicians who never had the chance before because they didn't have all the networks or whatever. So it does democratize it in a bit, you know, in a way. So I think that's my biggest concern and I think there is some fear there, because with any new technology, people lose jobs but others are created, but I don't know. You know, we're in that space where we just don't know.
Rick Costa:Yeah, I was just thinking. Like you know, artists especially are like an uproar. Like you know, it takes me a lot of time to sit down. It's a blank page I got to draw it and then it's time consuming and then it takes skill and now somebody can just go type a sentence and make something and somebody pays money for that. We're done in two seconds, but seconds. But then at the same time I'm like what if somebody creates something like really, really cool and amazing that you may not do that in one sentence? You know you might have to have a quite a long, lengthy prompt or whatever.
Carmen Lezeth:Is that not considered artistry at all, because it wasn't two seconds to create it either that way, I mean, I think it's look at, I think it's kind of like we were talking about before, even though it's being funny the definition of love will change, right, if people are actually having relationships, whether it's you or not I know you're not gonna, but I'm just saying there are other people, you know. Whatever, the definitions are probably going to change. As to what is art, you know I use AI a lot and I use it to help me Like I'll do my first draft, as I normally do so. Before I, I handwrite things, like when I think I have some brilliant idea, I'll handwrite it, which is, you know, cool. I love that. That's like. I like the feeling of pen to paper. So it's really old school, right. This is how I know I'm old, cause that's how I start.
Carmen Lezeth:And then I'll go and I'll put it in Word and not verbatim, but just like okay, now that I have it written out, now I'm going to write what I think is my first draft. Then I put it in AI and ask it to clean it up punctuation, whatever and it will go in and it will change it and clean it up and stuff. And then I'll go back and I'll be like but that doesn't even sound like me Like. So I'll have to go back and prompt it and say can you just clean it up, make sure that the punctuation's right, um, that I spelled the words correctly, but keep my voice and my tone and do not change these four sentences.
Carmen Lezeth:You know, whatever it is, um. So you have to really prompt it because if not, it becomes somebody else's. But it does. But if you prompt it correctly, that's going to be the trick. You have to be very detailed and prompt it correctly so that it doesn't end up sounding like I'm not an academic. I don't write like an academic, you know. So yeah, it's an interesting thing, definitely.
Rick Costa:Definitely, but we got to get used to it sooner or later.
Carmen Lezeth:I think you're a little bit more negative. I mean, maybe I'm making a subject. Are you a little bit more negative on it? Are you a little bit more pessimistic about it?
Rick Costa:I'm not afraid of it. I'd be awesome to be like if it says to me Rick, it is the first first of the month, would you like to pay all your bills? Yes, I would like you to pay all my bills. Would you like to just pay the minimum or a little bit more? How are you doing in the bank account? You're doing pretty good. Oh, add 25. Okay, thank you, right now. Is it done? Yes, it's already done. Thank you, right.
Carmen Lezeth:I would like it to be able to like wash my dishes and make my bed.
Rick Costa:That would be cool, that's more robotic stuff, but yeah.
Carmen Lezeth:I'm just saying, like, if we're going to dream about what I want, like let's say, we have the AI human, I don't need no lover. That's not what I need. Like I'm not going to fall in love with an AI, but what would be great is to have, like your own AI, Rosie from you know the Jetsons Clean my house. That would save me a lot of time. You know what I mean.
Rick Costa:It's not AI, but we have Roombas.
Carmen Lezeth:That vacuum your house.
Rick Costa:I don't know why people think Roombas are a thing that's not AI, but I mean no, no, no, that's not what we're talking about.
Carmen Lezeth:You know what I'm talking about. I'm talking about real clean, clean. Now Roomba is just picking up little. Come on now, stop, stop. You're embarrassing yourself. But no, okay, what else do you want? Okay, what else? What else Is that it on AI? I think that was good.
Rick Costa:Yeah, yeah. But again, don't be afraid of it. It's going to be part of our lives. You just got to get used to it and you're doing yourself a disservice. If you don't learn about it, You're going to be left behind. So you should learn about it everybody it.
Carmen Lezeth:But, um, yeah, I'm open. Yeah, but, by the way, it's so funny because you never asked me if I would ever consider a lover, ai, and you could have just thrown it my way. But since you didn't, I'm not gonna answer the question I can't see you.
Rick Costa:Fond of it, I could be wrong?
Carmen Lezeth:no, I could, I don't, I couldn't fall in love with an AI. I think that's. But then you listen to Gary Vee and you're like I'm not saying Gary Vee is the be-all, end-all, but it's like people are going to be dating AIs.
Rick Costa:Now you said in 20 years I'm going to be in my 70s. In 20 years I ain't going to give a crap about any of this when I'm 70.
Carmen Lezeth:Okay, but still, it's still an interesting thing to see. I mean, if you could turn around and be your age you are now and be here in 50 years, wouldn't you want to do it? I'd love to see what happens.
Rick Costa:I love to see it.
Carmen Lezeth:Sure Be cool. I don't know. I look at. I'm glad that I grew up gen X and then I'm here to watch this evolution. I think it's kind of fascinating to see all of this change like from having a rotary phone you know what I mean and pay phones or whatever, to now being here where we're talking about the possibility of people marrying an AI and we're talking about it for real. That's weird.
Rick Costa:Yeah.
Carmen Lezeth:And scary, but anyways, all right. Well, thank you so much. That was an interesting conversation. We'll have to have it again. That is so crazy, yeah, so I forget what I need to say. Just remember that we're always on on Friday nights at 6 pm Pacific, 9 pm Eastern, and we have our regular neighborhood hangout. Please come and join us in the chat. What time is it in London?
Rick Costa:3 pm, 3 am 3 am in the morning.
Carmen Lezeth:It's usually 3 am in London, but we have had people hang out with us and so, yeah, remember, at the end of the day, it really is all about the joy. Bye everyone, bye. Thanks for stopping by. All about the joy Be better and stay beautiful folks. Have a sweet day.
